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"More beautiful Black girls in WAM needed"
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Agreed, I would love to see more black people and more of other cultures represented in WAM. I haven't tried recruiting my own models yet, so I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to find black models or anyone of POC, but I've definitely been wanting to work more with underrepresented models. My issue is I worry about fetishizing race and making it exploitative. I have to wonder how POC feel about being recruited by white producers who want to cater to certain tastes from their followers. Is that less empowering and more uncomfortable for them?
CreamMeAgain said: Agreed, I would love to see more black people and more of other cultures represented in WAM. I haven't tried recruiting my own models yet, so I'm not familiar with how difficult it is to find black models or anyone of POC, but I've definitely been wanting to work more with underrepresented models. My issue is I worry about fetishizing race and making it exploitative. I have to wonder how POC feel about being recruited by white producers who want to cater to certain tastes from their followers. Is that less empowering and more uncomfortable for them?
there's a lot of conversations worth having with the individual models about what they are and aren't happy with.
this could include keywords, categories, language used, etc.
some people might not like (say) 'ebony' but understand it helps things sell. Some might not want it used. Some might like it and happy to use it.
This isn't something exclusive to performers from BAME backgrounds, but can also extend into trans and non-binary and so on.
There is stuff we can control and there is stuff we cannot control. We can control how much we pay models, but not how much other producers do. We can give people 'opportunities' but cannot control other opportunities open to them.
We can put them in clips and put them for sale; but also know there are people who will not buy the content because of prejudice*... but also those who WILL buy the content on prejudice *
(and of course those who will or won't based on what they find attractive - but that doesn't differ wildly with any other demographic.)
(*regardless of content, words, etc.)
Die4Pie said:
Late to this (Yes, I'm still alive everyone, don't worry!) but my first two shoots for die4pie were with black models, Call Girl and Nova! Call Girl was found through a craigslist post, and then Nova was recommended by her. So I think part of it is getting that word of mouth out there to assist in recruiting models. But going off of your point, in terms of black women not wanting to model for WAM, one reason could actually be their hair! I remember trying to negotiate a shoot with CG and she initally said no because she had just had her hair done and didn't want to ruin it with pies and slime. She ended up opting to shoot with the exception that she wore a wig, but I remember she originally wanted to wear a shower cap which I told her no since that wouldn't help the video perform well.
Of course, my interaction is very limited, but that could be one factor that leads into it that we may not think about as often.
1) It is MUCH harder to "recruit" a Black model. This might just be because I'm white, but I tend to get a higher rejection rate overall. But again, I don't want to theorize.
I did notice that a lot of Black models tended to work mostly (or exclusively) with Black photographers, and I never got a single one on board. All the Black models I've shot over the years were working with other white photogs before me, or in the case of SS154 Jasmine, shooting WITH mostly white models as well. Take from that what you will.
I did notice that a lot of Black models tended to work mostly (or exclusively) with Black photographers, and I never got a single one on board. All the Black models I've shot over the years were working with other white photogs before me, or in the case of SS154 Jasmine, shooting WITH mostly white models as well. Take from that what you will.
Late to this (Yes, I'm still alive everyone, don't worry!) but my first two shoots for die4pie were with black models, Call Girl and Nova! Call Girl was found through a craigslist post, and then Nova was recommended by her. So I think part of it is getting that word of mouth out there to assist in recruiting models. But going off of your point, in terms of black women not wanting to model for WAM, one reason could actually be their hair! I remember trying to negotiate a shoot with CG and she initally said no because she had just had her hair done and didn't want to ruin it with pies and slime. She ended up opting to shoot with the exception that she wore a wig, but I remember she originally wanted to wear a shower cap which I told her no since that wouldn't help the video perform well.
Of course, my interaction is very limited, but that could be one factor that leads into it that we may not think about as often.
It would not be a turn off to me, in any way, if a black model used a wig to protect their hair. There are layers to this fetish, but it's not necessarily sadistic and this community seems pretty respectful.
Baggus said:
It would not be a turn off to me, in any way, if a black model used a wig to protect their hair. There are layers to this fetish, but it's not necessarily sadistic and this community seems pretty respectful.
Die4Pie said:
Late to this (Yes, I'm still alive everyone, don't worry!) but my first two shoots for die4pie were with black models, Call Girl and Nova! Call Girl was found through a craigslist post, and then Nova was recommended by her. So I think part of it is getting that word of mouth out there to assist in recruiting models. But going off of your point, in terms of black women not wanting to model for WAM, one reason could actually be their hair! I remember trying to negotiate a shoot with CG and she initally said no because she had just had her hair done and didn't want to ruin it with pies and slime. She ended up opting to shoot with the exception that she wore a wig, but I remember she originally wanted to wear a shower cap which I told her no since that wouldn't help the video perform well.
Of course, my interaction is very limited, but that could be one factor that leads into it that we may not think about as often.
1) It is MUCH harder to "recruit" a Black model. This might just be because I'm white, but I tend to get a higher rejection rate overall. But again, I don't want to theorize.
I did notice that a lot of Black models tended to work mostly (or exclusively) with Black photographers, and I never got a single one on board. All the Black models I've shot over the years were working with other white photogs before me, or in the case of SS154 Jasmine, shooting WITH mostly white models as well. Take from that what you will.
I did notice that a lot of Black models tended to work mostly (or exclusively) with Black photographers, and I never got a single one on board. All the Black models I've shot over the years were working with other white photogs before me, or in the case of SS154 Jasmine, shooting WITH mostly white models as well. Take from that what you will.
Late to this (Yes, I'm still alive everyone, don't worry!) but my first two shoots for die4pie were with black models, Call Girl and Nova! Call Girl was found through a craigslist post, and then Nova was recommended by her. So I think part of it is getting that word of mouth out there to assist in recruiting models. But going off of your point, in terms of black women not wanting to model for WAM, one reason could actually be their hair! I remember trying to negotiate a shoot with CG and she initally said no because she had just had her hair done and didn't want to ruin it with pies and slime. She ended up opting to shoot with the exception that she wore a wig, but I remember she originally wanted to wear a shower cap which I told her no since that wouldn't help the video perform well.
Of course, my interaction is very limited, but that could be one factor that leads into it that we may not think about as often.
It would not be a turn off to me, in any way, if a black model used a wig to protect their hair. There are layers to this fetish, but it's not necessarily sadistic and this community seems pretty respectful.
A wig is fine, it was the shower cap I was against. It would be on the same level as wearing goggles
I'm happy to have seen and read all the discussions and relevant points brought up by the post. I hope things change in the future and I hope that filmmakers and producers don't loose contact with the few Black woman that have shot and participated in the WAM world. I'm happy to have found Sade Rose on gunked up girls. She is very attractive and has some good scenes. That said, it was not easy to find her films. There are some out there, but you have to search for them. Have a great weekend and stay messy 
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