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"Is there anything about WAM videos you'd like to see less of?"
going to be slated for this but pie videos in general. does nothing for me. But everyone is different. If we all liked the same things life would be boring
I am one of the few vocal pro nude dissenting votes. There is still way more non nude wam and still not much sex in wam. For me wam is a sexual fetish so I see too much of wan on this forum. As for self pieing, too many just hits too the face. I would like to see more hits to the tits, ass and pussy! More bare ads pie and cake sitting, more messy masturbation like in the recent Messy Girl sets, more messy lesbian play. If there is a boy-girl scene, less pies just to her face but pie the he'll out of the rest of her if she is giving a bj.
The custom I had Ariel do with Candle Box's had both girls start off nude and there was masturbation with a hitachi, Candle squirting and anal masturbation after all the pies were used up. She told me that at the time it was her best download in the store. So I feel sexual, nude wam is popular and we are just too busy getting busy to be complsining, lol!
The custom I had Ariel do with Candle Box's had both girls start off nude and there was masturbation with a hitachi, Candle squirting and anal masturbation after all the pies were used up. She told me that at the time it was her best download in the store. So I feel sexual, nude wam is popular and we are just too busy getting busy to be complsining, lol!
My four bug-a-boos:
1. Models laughing/out of character.
2. Wacky colored pies (blue, green, purple, etc)
3. Models "hitting" the other model with a pie while holding the tin from the side. (flat palm straight to the face please!)
4. Producers/directors not stopping a scene to correct poor form or bad camera blocking or pace of the scene in general.
1. Models laughing/out of character.
2. Wacky colored pies (blue, green, purple, etc)
3. Models "hitting" the other model with a pie while holding the tin from the side. (flat palm straight to the face please!)
4. Producers/directors not stopping a scene to correct poor form or bad camera blocking or pace of the scene in general.
KakeKid said: My four bug-a-boos:
1. Models laughing/out of character.
2. Wacky colored pies (blue, green, purple, etc)
3. Models "hitting" the other model with a pie while holding the tin from the side. (flat palm straight to the face please!)
4. Producers/directors not stopping a scene to correct poor form or bad camera blocking or pace of the scene in general.
1. Models laughing/out of character.
2. Wacky colored pies (blue, green, purple, etc)
3. Models "hitting" the other model with a pie while holding the tin from the side. (flat palm straight to the face please!)
4. Producers/directors not stopping a scene to correct poor form or bad camera blocking or pace of the scene in general.
Yes! to numbers 3 & 4. If your model cannot pie someone properly, take a few minutes to show her how. The vast majority of these beautiful women do not share our fetish, so when they are told to pie someone else in the face, they do not automatically know how to do it. Way too many models are gentle and prefer to hold the tin gently by the side and just flip it into the other model's face. The result? Really poor. A lot of times you will see half the pie or more slide out of the tin before it even hits the face.
Wow! I spend way TOO much time thinking about stuff like this. My parents would be proud.
Men, footwear, hosiery, mud and self-WAM. I'm a fella of simple tastes.
All flesh is equal when gunged.
"Is there anything about WAM videos you'd like to see less of?"
People telling me what I should and shouldn't like in pie videos!
If I don't like what the samples show, I don't buy. If I like, I do buy (cash flow permitting). If your turned on by something I'm not, fine. I'm not going to tell a producer "Great video but she should have been wearing one pink sock and one green sock, so I'm not buying your video."
But since you asked.... I'm not a fan of slime, guys intruding in my fantasies, girl-on-girl, blatant pornography (some nudity is fine), plastic bags, slime on paper plates maskerading as "pies", but my biggest complaint:
Unattractive women getting hit with pies. I want the girl getting hit to be pretty (hot is even better). I know there's a wide range of definitions what unattractive is or isn't... but whales and stick figures need not apply to my collection. Gotta have a nice face, most important otherwise what's the point?
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Things I do like which other haven't yet mentioned: Elegant clothes. Lowcut tops/dresses/bikinis so the mess can drip off the face onto the boobs (thank you Breana!).
The OP asked about girls sticking out their tongues: I like it. Not all the time, but if done right, there's a certain I Dare You. (Probably hearkens back to my misspent youth watch Curly stick out his tongue in Sweet Pie and Pie.)
I prefer thrown pies and pie hits from other women to mystery offscreen arms.
People telling me what I should and shouldn't like in pie videos!
If I don't like what the samples show, I don't buy. If I like, I do buy (cash flow permitting). If your turned on by something I'm not, fine. I'm not going to tell a producer "Great video but she should have been wearing one pink sock and one green sock, so I'm not buying your video."
But since you asked.... I'm not a fan of slime, guys intruding in my fantasies, girl-on-girl, blatant pornography (some nudity is fine), plastic bags, slime on paper plates maskerading as "pies", but my biggest complaint:
Unattractive women getting hit with pies. I want the girl getting hit to be pretty (hot is even better). I know there's a wide range of definitions what unattractive is or isn't... but whales and stick figures need not apply to my collection. Gotta have a nice face, most important otherwise what's the point?
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Things I do like which other haven't yet mentioned: Elegant clothes. Lowcut tops/dresses/bikinis so the mess can drip off the face onto the boobs (thank you Breana!).
The OP asked about girls sticking out their tongues: I like it. Not all the time, but if done right, there's a certain I Dare You. (Probably hearkens back to my misspent youth watch Curly stick out his tongue in Sweet Pie and Pie.)
I prefer thrown pies and pie hits from other women to mystery offscreen arms.
Couple notes:
As to the famed Three's Company pie fight with Chrissy pieing herself...I completely understand why that gag would be a let down to many (no need to explain this)....however, from a purely slapstick comedy perspective, Chrissy's self-pieing was the perfect gag (in keeping with her ditzy character)....the scene is more thought-out that one might realize at first; each character in the skit gets pied in a particular way that suits the character (Like poor Janet getting pied by accident because she was in the wrong place, Jack getting double pied at the end after making a self-flattering conciliatory intervention with the Ropers)...I'll stop there, I may be over-thinking it...but watch it again sometime and note how many different types of pie hits/gags there are...It's a genius gem of slapstick.
As for this thread ("see less of") compared to the other ("see more of") thread:
'What do you despise? By this are you truly known.' -- Frank Herbert, Dune
{Note: inane '70's TV sit-com reference and Dune quote in the same comment; egads]
As to the famed Three's Company pie fight with Chrissy pieing herself...I completely understand why that gag would be a let down to many (no need to explain this)....however, from a purely slapstick comedy perspective, Chrissy's self-pieing was the perfect gag (in keeping with her ditzy character)....the scene is more thought-out that one might realize at first; each character in the skit gets pied in a particular way that suits the character (Like poor Janet getting pied by accident because she was in the wrong place, Jack getting double pied at the end after making a self-flattering conciliatory intervention with the Ropers)...I'll stop there, I may be over-thinking it...but watch it again sometime and note how many different types of pie hits/gags there are...It's a genius gem of slapstick.
As for this thread ("see less of") compared to the other ("see more of") thread:
'What do you despise? By this are you truly known.' -- Frank Herbert, Dune
{Note: inane '70's TV sit-com reference and Dune quote in the same comment; egads]
'Our Favorite (Pie) Hits' now available!
wamajama said: Couple notes:
As to the famed Three's Company pie fight with Chrissy pieing herself...I completely understand why that gag would be a let down to many (no need to explain this)....however, from a purely slapstick comedy perspective, Chrissy's self-pieing was the perfect gag (in keeping with her ditzy character)....the scene is more thought-out that one might realize at first; each character in the skit gets pied in a particular way that suits the character (Like poor Janet getting pied by accident because she was in the wrong place, Jack getting double pied at the end after making a self-flattering conciliatory intervention with the Ropers)...I'll stop there, I may be over-thinking it...but watch it again sometime and note how many different types of pie hits/gags there are...It's a genius gem of slapstick.
As for this thread ("see less of") compared to the other ("see more of") thread:
'What do you despise? By this are you truly known.' -- Frank Herbert, Dune
{Note: inane '70's TV sit-com reference and Dune quote in the same comment; egads]
As to the famed Three's Company pie fight with Chrissy pieing herself...I completely understand why that gag would be a let down to many (no need to explain this)....however, from a purely slapstick comedy perspective, Chrissy's self-pieing was the perfect gag (in keeping with her ditzy character)....the scene is more thought-out that one might realize at first; each character in the skit gets pied in a particular way that suits the character (Like poor Janet getting pied by accident because she was in the wrong place, Jack getting double pied at the end after making a self-flattering conciliatory intervention with the Ropers)...I'll stop there, I may be over-thinking it...but watch it again sometime and note how many different types of pie hits/gags there are...It's a genius gem of slapstick.
As for this thread ("see less of") compared to the other ("see more of") thread:
'What do you despise? By this are you truly known.' -- Frank Herbert, Dune
{Note: inane '70's TV sit-com reference and Dune quote in the same comment; egads]
Not to de-rail this thread, but I agree! There was no other way for Chrissy to get pied in the context of what was going on. And it was pretty funny. I just wish they would had added the extra pies that got thrown after the taping!
** Three's Company and Dune in the same post - Indeed!
** Norman
I find it interesting that, after several posts ranting about "less self pies!", there's a post wanting "old school crusts" complete with pictures and video... which are almost ALL self pies.
You want that perfect complete crust? The easiest and most reliable way is a good self-pie.
You hate self-pies? You're gonna see mostly broken crusts since that's what usually happens when someone else delivers a pie.
As with most things in this community, people have very strong opinions that almost completely contradict others' very strong opinions. So, carry on.
You want that perfect complete crust? The easiest and most reliable way is a good self-pie.
You hate self-pies? You're gonna see mostly broken crusts since that's what usually happens when someone else delivers a pie.
As with most things in this community, people have very strong opinions that almost completely contradict others' very strong opinions. So, carry on.
I agree with Rich. Because the model is normally holding the pie with both hands, it ends up sticking better to the face. That's assuming they commit to the self-pie and push it hard.
What has stopped me buying videos in the past are poor production values. Several well-known producers fall into this category. I won't name them but I find bad lighting and low-quality video (particularly interlacing) to be turn-offs for me and I feel a good scene can be diminished if you can't see it in enough detail. I think that's why I like TV WAM so much, because it meets a minimum technical standard.
But I do want to say that Slapstick Stuff, Valentine Network and Wet and Messy.com are sites that do a good job in this area.
What has stopped me buying videos in the past are poor production values. Several well-known producers fall into this category. I won't name them but I find bad lighting and low-quality video (particularly interlacing) to be turn-offs for me and I feel a good scene can be diminished if you can't see it in enough detail. I think that's why I like TV WAM so much, because it meets a minimum technical standard.
But I do want to say that Slapstick Stuff, Valentine Network and Wet and Messy.com are sites that do a good job in this area.
SStuff said: I think the vast majority of pie fans prefer crusts, though. Please comment if you feel otherwise, but most think that simply putting anything (Cool Whip, shaving cream, etc.) into an empty pie tin is not a "true pie." The crust needs to be there.
Interestingly, in Japan, most of pie fans don't care about crusts.
In many cases, "true pie" means whipped cream on a paper plate for Japanese pie fans.
I think it is due to the influence of Japanese TV shows of the 1980s, where famous comedians used whipped cream on paper plates without crusts at various times. They called it "Pai-Nage"(pie throwing).
In addition to that, Japanese eat pies less frequently than the Western people.
So in Japan "true pie" exists in WAM context independently from food culture.
Less pies going almost totally over the woman's hair and barely getting her face.
The moment of impact being repeated over and over and over and over again!
The requirement that every pie video MUST have slime in it but slime and gunge sites do not have to reciprocate.
Multiple pies being thrown or applied rapidly making what should be a 5 minute video into a 2 minute video.
Total annihilation. A 50 pie barrage has just wasted the last 42 pies!
No videos showing up on a Youtube with that stupid Pie a Face game. I think we can all agree on that!
As for crusts - love em when they are applied right and that would include self pieings like Kosplay. I understand the rap against self pieings but to me the only time I don't like them is when there is another person there who could apply the pie!
As for the white pants/white jeans pieings - I'm responsible for 80% of them and they will probably only increase this year!
The moment of impact being repeated over and over and over and over again!
The requirement that every pie video MUST have slime in it but slime and gunge sites do not have to reciprocate.
Multiple pies being thrown or applied rapidly making what should be a 5 minute video into a 2 minute video.
Total annihilation. A 50 pie barrage has just wasted the last 42 pies!
No videos showing up on a Youtube with that stupid Pie a Face game. I think we can all agree on that!
As for crusts - love em when they are applied right and that would include self pieings like Kosplay. I understand the rap against self pieings but to me the only time I don't like them is when there is another person there who could apply the pie!
As for the white pants/white jeans pieings - I'm responsible for 80% of them and they will probably only increase this year!
*CleverScreenName* said:
If I could only change one thing though, I would want the old school crusts back. The ones that totally stick to the girl's face. I couldn't care less if it's shaving cream or cool whip or whatever, as long as the pie gets stuck. I loved seeing the crust stay in one piece (look at old school SS or Messy Melania for a few examples. Edit: I'll just upload a few pics at the bottom of the post).
Ofc these are just my thoughts, I'd love to hear what people think, especially on the crust debate. I'm a huge fan if it wasn't already clear.
If I could only change one thing though, I would want the old school crusts back. The ones that totally stick to the girl's face. I couldn't care less if it's shaving cream or cool whip or whatever, as long as the pie gets stuck. I loved seeing the crust stay in one piece (look at old school SS or Messy Melania for a few examples. Edit: I'll just upload a few pics at the bottom of the post).
Ofc these are just my thoughts, I'd love to hear what people think, especially on the crust debate. I'm a huge fan if it wasn't already clear.
Reading these posts (What do you want to see more/less of in WAM), I've realized I'm either pretty laid back or easy to please or lazy or an equal opp wammer or a combination thereof. (Shaving cream, colored pies, self hits, tit-for-tat, it's all good dependent upon the producer and models.)
I can advocate, however, for nice crust hits as you've got here, Clever. Big fan, but very tricky to pull off! I blame gravity. (I know the outdoor pie here is even pushing it, borderline.)
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Good news! As we start year 19 with Messygirl, you again will not see my mug in a Messygirl.com production. 
Now if the girls want me in a Messygirl revenge video, that is a different story. I'm torn...should I do it or let our fans do it? Amy and Penelope mentioned something about a messy lap dance.
Now if the girls want me in a Messygirl revenge video, that is a different story. I'm torn...should I do it or let our fans do it? Amy and Penelope mentioned something about a messy lap dance.
1. I agree there's a bit too much pie WAM, as opposed to other aspects.
2. Talk from the guy filming the video. If he has to say something to the model, edit it out!
3. Multi-substances. Just stick with one, or two, things!
4. I personally don't mind guys in the video, so long as the focus is clearly on the girl(s).
5. Shoes, on the girls. I know many of you like this, but I'm attracted to bare feet. As a compromise, the producers could have them wear shoes, for the first part, then barefoot for the second.
6. As others have said, videos where the girl clearly isn't enjoying it.
2. Talk from the guy filming the video. If he has to say something to the model, edit it out!
3. Multi-substances. Just stick with one, or two, things!
4. I personally don't mind guys in the video, so long as the focus is clearly on the girl(s).
5. Shoes, on the girls. I know many of you like this, but I'm attracted to bare feet. As a compromise, the producers could have them wear shoes, for the first part, then barefoot for the second.
6. As others have said, videos where the girl clearly isn't enjoying it.
Less green slime... it's overdone. Chocolate would be better for me, especially if she's blonde.
Bigshipper said:Reading these posts (What do you want to see more/less of in WAM), I've realized I'm either pretty laid back or easy to please or lazy or an equal opp wammer or a combination thereof. (Shaving cream, colored pies, self hits, tit-for-tat, it's all good dependent upon the producer and models.)
I'm like that, too. It's pretty much all good! A pretty/cute lady getting messy or wet and I'm in!
I can advocate, however, for nice crust hits as you've got here, Clever. Big fan, but very tricky to pull off! I blame gravity. (I know the outdoor pie here is even pushing it, borderline.)
I love crusts on pies, and I love when the pie sticks to the lady's face for a while! That is so sexy to me!
These pics of Mrs. Bee are fantastic! Thanks for posting them!
Norman
PieMoreGirls said:
It was silly of me to throw up a bunch of pics which were results of self pies. I know as a producer it's gotta be hard to know what direction to go with so many different voices. The thing is though, while there is no real agreement among the masses, I believe a lot of this is more consistent from person to person.I have nothing against the self pies, and I like the crust. Many of those who don't like self pies probably aren't as fond of crust either. I know this post is almost entirely empty words to you, but know that we do appreciate you listening to what we have to say!
Also noticed a lot of people liked the crust pics in my last post so here's a few more (and for those wondering, I'm 99% sure that none of these were self pieings!)
SStuff said: I find it interesting that, after several posts ranting about "less self pies!", there's a post wanting "old school crusts" complete with pictures and video... which are almost ALL self pies.
You want that perfect complete crust? The easiest and most reliable way is a good self-pie.
You hate self-pies? You're gonna see mostly broken crusts since that's what usually happens when someone else delivers a pie.
As with most things in this community, people have very strong opinions that almost completely contradict others' very strong opinions. So, carry on.
You want that perfect complete crust? The easiest and most reliable way is a good self-pie.
You hate self-pies? You're gonna see mostly broken crusts since that's what usually happens when someone else delivers a pie.
As with most things in this community, people have very strong opinions that almost completely contradict others' very strong opinions. So, carry on.
It was silly of me to throw up a bunch of pics which were results of self pies. I know as a producer it's gotta be hard to know what direction to go with so many different voices. The thing is though, while there is no real agreement among the masses, I believe a lot of this is more consistent from person to person.I have nothing against the self pies, and I like the crust. Many of those who don't like self pies probably aren't as fond of crust either. I know this post is almost entirely empty words to you, but know that we do appreciate you listening to what we have to say!
Also noticed a lot of people liked the crust pics in my last post so here's a few more (and for those wondering, I'm 99% sure that none of these were self pieings!)
That last one from Danielle was fantastic, but even at the time I remember thinking about how rare it was to pull off.
Jill certainly never pied anyone else as good as that, before or after!
Bigshipper said:
Reading these posts (What do you want to see more/less of in WAM), I've realized I'm either pretty laid back or easy to please or lazy or an equal opp wammer or a combination thereof. (Shaving cream, colored pies, self hits, tit-for-tat, it's all good dependent upon the producer and models.)
I can advocate, however, for nice crust hits as you've got here, Clever. Big fan, but very tricky to pull off! I blame gravity. (I know the outdoor pie here is even pushing it, borderline.)
*CleverScreenName* said:
If I could only change one thing though, I would want the old school crusts back. The ones that totally stick to the girl's face. I couldn't care less if it's shaving cream or cool whip or whatever, as long as the pie gets stuck. I loved seeing the crust stay in one piece (look at old school SS or Messy Melania for a few examples. Edit: I'll just upload a few pics at the bottom of the post).
Ofc these are just my thoughts, I'd love to hear what people think, especially on the crust debate. I'm a huge fan if it wasn't already clear.
If I could only change one thing though, I would want the old school crusts back. The ones that totally stick to the girl's face. I couldn't care less if it's shaving cream or cool whip or whatever, as long as the pie gets stuck. I loved seeing the crust stay in one piece (look at old school SS or Messy Melania for a few examples. Edit: I'll just upload a few pics at the bottom of the post).
Ofc these are just my thoughts, I'd love to hear what people think, especially on the crust debate. I'm a huge fan if it wasn't already clear.
Reading these posts (What do you want to see more/less of in WAM), I've realized I'm either pretty laid back or easy to please or lazy or an equal opp wammer or a combination thereof. (Shaving cream, colored pies, self hits, tit-for-tat, it's all good dependent upon the producer and models.)
I can advocate, however, for nice crust hits as you've got here, Clever. Big fan, but very tricky to pull off! I blame gravity. (I know the outdoor pie here is even pushing it, borderline.)
just want to agree with these points!!
and since the self pie got so many down votes, just saying that I don't mind them ha ha. Interesting to read all the different preferences though.
For me, three things:
1) the adult side of it. I like the PG fully clothed down to bikini videos, which is why i loved GungeGirls material so much. Fully naked women is a bonus yes, but after that, it just doesn't interest me. I have bought some adult videos, but i ony watch them up to a point before it gets all adult, there is no need for it in my opinion (as controversial that will be to many)
2) girls covering their faces or lowering their heads when getting slimed. hate that. Spoils the fun
3) damp/wet hair at the start of a video - an absolute no-no. If you film a great video first, with the model having perfect hair, don't ruin a great second video by shooting with her having damp or wet hair. I know it saves time, and yo get more content the quicker you can get the next video filmed, but for me, it spoils it and at that point, i get disappointed a good video is ruined so i don't buy the video
I think thats about it really. Wilkl probably piss a lot of people off me saying this, but the question was asked and i wanted top give my answer as honestly as i could
Best wishes and Happy New Year to y'all
1) the adult side of it. I like the PG fully clothed down to bikini videos, which is why i loved GungeGirls material so much. Fully naked women is a bonus yes, but after that, it just doesn't interest me. I have bought some adult videos, but i ony watch them up to a point before it gets all adult, there is no need for it in my opinion (as controversial that will be to many)
2) girls covering their faces or lowering their heads when getting slimed. hate that. Spoils the fun
3) damp/wet hair at the start of a video - an absolute no-no. If you film a great video first, with the model having perfect hair, don't ruin a great second video by shooting with her having damp or wet hair. I know it saves time, and yo get more content the quicker you can get the next video filmed, but for me, it spoils it and at that point, i get disappointed a good video is ruined so i don't buy the video
I think thats about it really. Wilkl probably piss a lot of people off me saying this, but the question was asked and i wanted top give my answer as honestly as i could
Best wishes and Happy New Year to y'all
CKCP said:
Yes! to numbers 3 & 4. If your model cannot pie someone properly, take a few minutes to show her how. The vast majority of these beautiful women do not share our fetish, so when they are told to pie someone else in the face, they do not automatically know how to do it. Way too many models are gentle and prefer to hold the tin gently by the side and just flip it into the other model's face. The result? Really poor. A lot of times you will see half the pie or more slide out of the tin before it even hits the face.
Wow! I spend way TOO much time thinking about stuff like this. My parents would be proud.
KakeKid said: My four bug-a-boos:
1. Models laughing/out of character.
2. Wacky colored pies (blue, green, purple, etc)
3. Models "hitting" the other model with a pie while holding the tin from the side. (flat palm straight to the face please!)
4. Producers/directors not stopping a scene to correct poor form or bad camera blocking or pace of the scene in general.
1. Models laughing/out of character.
2. Wacky colored pies (blue, green, purple, etc)
3. Models "hitting" the other model with a pie while holding the tin from the side. (flat palm straight to the face please!)
4. Producers/directors not stopping a scene to correct poor form or bad camera blocking or pace of the scene in general.
Yes! to numbers 3 & 4. If your model cannot pie someone properly, take a few minutes to show her how. The vast majority of these beautiful women do not share our fetish, so when they are told to pie someone else in the face, they do not automatically know how to do it. Way too many models are gentle and prefer to hold the tin gently by the side and just flip it into the other model's face. The result? Really poor. A lot of times you will see half the pie or more slide out of the tin before it even hits the face.
Wow! I spend way TOO much time thinking about stuff like this. My parents would be proud.
I agree, 2 girl shoots usually have lazy hits. Self pies do nothing for me as well and even though i don't begrudge anyone for liking them but it does irk me when she is drilling herself and rubbing it into her own face meanwhile the other hits in the vid were shitty(by my standards) I wish producer would let you know upfront if the whole scene is self pies, some description/pics can be deceiving.
Get rid of the Fake shit. Let's get to the basics and start enjoying this instead of thinking about how much to charge for a session.
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