It's required for photorealistic images, which is the topic of this discussion (material seen as a potential substitute for producer-created work)

I'm still not seeing why we wouldn't just restrict AI images and videos to an AI forum? 99% of the AI content over the past 2-3 years has been posted to the AI group. It's only handful of posts/users who are actually posting AI content to the Messy and Wet forums. My own cynicism would say that it's avoid the content getting ring fenced but I'll give the benefit of doubt and suggest the AI group doesn't exist.
Creating an AI forum rather than a group also allows better administration and resolves the issues DMO highlighted.

Ignoring the problem has been known to never work. In a free market environment all that does is give AI slop producers or fraudsters opportunity to push harder into the market to the point that it's impossible to ignore. It's happened to YouTube, to online pinboards, to art sites, to drawing circles, and to imageboards. UMD has been experiencing a similar progression, but at a much slower rate due to its smaller community population and proactive synthetic tagging.

The only solid results come from real pushback and active content regulation, but slop producers will still try to worm their way in anyway, which is why constant vigilance is still necessary. If there is money to be made, they will always be around, undermining freedom of expression by drowning it out with huge volumes of lower effort fakery.

In addition to any and all debates about the creative validity of using AI (which, in my personal view is zero), let's consider the obvious environmental and social impacts of data centers as well as the use of mass theft to "train" these slop machines too.

I would 100% be in favor of a complete ban of AI slop from this site. Let's keep our slop 100% real, and 100% literal. Fuck AI.

Actively advocating the banning of free expression, yes, even stuff you don't like, and then saying those that don't want free expression banned is "undermining free expression?"

What? This thread gets more bizarre.

And this "low effort" nonsense, why does this buzzword keep popping up? Is there a litmus test that states "you must put in this much effort or your speech is not allowed?"

The irony of people on an adult entertainment forum looking down at others and chastising them for being "low effort" is astounding. Do people not know the porn industry is often considered exactly that by those not in the circle?

"Oh, you're just gonna sell pics of your body? Yuck.

Wait, you don't even get nude, you just get hit with pies?? I guess people will buy anything nowadays."

And what demonstrably doesn't work in a free market is prohibition.

He is stating a paradox. One that has been debated by both opponents and proponents of AI as a critique of both the technology and the human condition. The issue is if AI is permitted to operate unchecked, we can only assert that sooner or later it will choke out the human aspect of many things we take for granted. We have examples we can point to now. For example "The Automation Paradox" where the more advanced and autonomous AI systems become, the more they are prone to failure without human intervention. This requires human monitoring and correction however because of the machine's efficiency, the individuals who are supposed to steer the ship are getting complacent (Lazy) and lose the very skills they require to intervene when the machine fails.

The less "doom and gloom" example of this would be an artist like a photographer. We have the tools in Photoshop to do exactly what generative remove or generative fill offer without the need for AI but because of its efficiency, people are defaulting to it for every scenario. This doesn't always work and sometimes generative AI will produce some *Interesting* results which then leaves some photographers struggling how to correct the error in their edits.



Hate to break it to ya, but it is low effort in relation to the photographer who has spent thousands of dollars on equipment, trainings, workshops in addition to the years of mastery of a craft, understanding color science, lighting, negative fill, Framing of a shot, which lenses to use, composition, posing a model, post editing workflow and beyond. The same can be applied to a musician, Cinematographer, Editor, or a number of crafts that take years to master. Sorry to say, but just because you don't like what you are hearing, doesn't make it untrue. It just doesn't work that way.


First off, calling this forum adult entertainment is a bit of a stretch. This is not Mavericks. It's (for the most part) a niche fetish community where people occasionally or regularly shoot and sell videos of their kinks or sessions. No one is dumping mainstream porn money into their shoots here and if we are lucky, we break even. That in and of itself is largely the issue and the double edge sword producers here need to face.

While yes AI MIGHT be a threat to some creators, it is only while they make no effort to bring a better product. This isn't shade at anyone but this is the direction the industry is headed. People want high quality content and thanks to social media, they know it is possible. They may need to leave behind their cellphone and buy a proper camera (or learn how to shoot better off their phone) or they may need to rent a proper studio instead of shooting in a hotel bathroom. They may need to do a deep dive on lighting and buy some proper monolights or modifiers. The resources are out there and there has been no better time to learn but the influencer age of content creation has changed a lot of the landscape. Will some producers fall off? Yeah, potentially if they cannot adapt but as the very overwhelming majority here as stated time and time again, they prefer the real deal and not some fictitious toon.

Bit of a stretch? It's literally the definition. It's literally in the site rules that this site is not for and does not feature minors. It's an adult entertainment community. In fact, the fact we're even discussing this is my exact point. Do you not think there are people out there that see this fetish/community as "low effort?" If you don't have Sasha Grey and Piper Perri in your videos then you shouldn't even be posting them in our community! That's how this sounds.


Unfortunately you don't get to gatekeep what art is. What gives you the authority or even moral audacity to tell someone else what they can view as art.

I don't see why there's so much focus on the "effort" that goes into it, to be honest. It's porn. I get that some producers are quite particular about things and like their shoots to be of a high quality, but that's not what draws people to one scene vs another. It's the model/mess/outfit/whatever, not your sick studio quality lighting setup and camera. There's a disconnect between producers and consumers with how much they care about the "effort".

No gatekeeping involved. Shall we let Webster help?
1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
the art of making friends
2a: a branch of learning:
(1): one of the humanities
(2)arts plural :liberal arts
2b: archaic :learning, scholarship
3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
the art of organ building
4a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects
the art of painting landscapes
also :works so produced
a gallery for modern art
b(1): fine arts
(2): one of the fine arts
(3): one of the graphic arts
5a
archaic :a skillful plan
b: the quality or state of being artful (see artful sense 2a)
6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter

Webster definitions include being creative and using your imagination as part of the definition. Something AI does not have. So by definition, AI cannot be art.