I've been watching messy stuff on YouTube and I can't believe how much stuff there is that I have never seen. It seems like backintheday everything or most everything I saw on YouTube was old news bc this site discussed it.

That isn't true anymore. (And I know we can't discuss clips with kids, or aims at kid audiences.) But there is still SO MUCH stuff with adults that is fair game we miss.

Thoughts?

It's largely because the UMD is a definitively anti-civilian WAM community for the most part. The main focus for these boards historically has been producer-made content, with a little bit of TV sprinkled in here and there.

In the past, there were other sites like ECGunge and Tellygunge which catered to the TV and YouTube-focused audiences a little more specifically, but unfortunately the days of that are gone...

I don't understand this at all. Granted, I'm not so great at finding mainstream scenes, but what exactly is it that is discouraging people from posting their finds? I posted my finds, not frequently, but I never had any issues. An absolute ton of synthetic women gets posted here with no issue. That has nothing to do with producers. Outside a kid shows, what's holding people back?

There used to be a lot more "WAM Alert" threads than there are now, though. Partly because there's genuinely less mainstream WAM, and what does exist is harder to find, due to the enshittification of Google and YouTube, and the tendency of new content to get lost in the shuffle of a zillion streaming outlets that nobody actually watches. In the late 2000s and early 2010s all kinds of minor TV shows were getting recapped by half a dozen websites, and Google News and Image searches would surface all kinds of messy scenes. Now that entire ecosystem is a shell of what it used to be.

It's also true that this site is a lot less friendly to mainstream WAM than it used to be, and when a good scene does turn up, I usually hear about it somewhere else.

Often, if innocent material is linked to from a fetish forum (any fetish, this isn't just a WAM problem), the source gets bombarded by totally inappropriate messages, which rapidly results in them taking their scenes private, or down altogether. We saw that last year, there were some awesome Fort Boyard mud clips posted, and a great thread developed - until all of a sudden the YT channel they were coming from went private. Knowing this, a lot of people won't share links, because they don't want to be responsible for the person who created the content being carpet-bombed with creepy messages.

Bingo. There's been a lot of stuff I've found via YT/Twitter/Onlyfans/etc that I 've learned to just keep to myself instead of sharing because I know the model isn't part of the WAM fetish community and will get hammered by obsessive wammers who won't leave her alone. I enjoy WAM and I absolutely appreciate a good sliming and enjoy interacting with the producers, chatters and models here, but I think it's a tossup between WAM and the foot fetish communities for having the creepiest fanbase.

I know I find all kinds of stuff I'd like to share, but I HATE HATE HATE having my posts taken down. And especially if it is because the clip I shared has 1.2 seconds of a kid blurred in the background or something like that. It has left such a bad taste in my mouth, I don't post like I use to.

Meh mainstream stuff never goes far enough

Part of it could be that certain folks here actively roast people for posting repeated links that they may not have seen, or even worse, will roast people for posting something that doesn't appeal to that person. It's weird, but I know a lot of people who have been put off from posting here for those reasonsamong others.

A legitimate concern that goes back a long time. I used to think there was a "letting the terrorists win" aspect to refraining from sharing finds, and that the right answer was to post the links here so that everyone could enjoy them for a little while (and hopefully capture & save them), even if the worst case happened and the content got removed. I also thought the trolls were zealous enough to find everything on their own and that being mentioned on the UMD was overstated as a cause for having nice things taken away. But now that UMD has drifted so far away from functioning as a one-stop community bulletin board, I can't really blame anyone for keeping their discoveries to themselves. I still share stuff on the rare occasion I spot it first, but only after I've downloaded, or at least masturbated copiously to, it.

The creepy fucking people that tend to lurk on here is why I stopped sharing. Damn near every video I have ever posted here is either private or behind youtube's pay wall. I remember there was someone that regularly posted the challenge videos that there was a group doing on youtube. I still see their videos pop up from time to time but not here.

I know there are people out there regularly making great content that has not been discussed yet by people on here. Unfortunately I am relieved when I come and don't see their content. That means it will still be around. There have always been creepy people out there, but it seems like they don't care about any backlash because in their world of the internet that does not matter. Which is probably also why they are single, and become vindictive people thinking that they have been wronged because people do not want to date them. The other creepers have made it so that it is not safe for someone to tell them, hey these actions a. b. and c. etc are why no one wants to date you. It is not safe because those creepers have done some pretty vile things when they were rejected. On the flip side those same creepers have found a way to make themselves victims because people do not want to date them and they are "nice" people. Unfortunately, I don't think this mentality will be going away anytime soon.

I remember a couple of years ago, somebody posted photographs taken at a public event. They were taken down by MM because he didn't know the context of the situation. (How could he?, because it takes place in a small northern town in the UK) After I explain how the event works, he later thought that maybe they could have stayed. I didn't blame him for the decision and neither did I ask that the pictures be re-instated. I merely asked that if he saw pictures from the subsequent events, he would see them in a different light.

This serves to illustrate that when photos taken at an event are uploaded, some words explaining the context, might help avoid deletion. This could mean that we all get to see more of the wam that is out there.

BTW If anyone wants to know what I am talking about, search "horse washing at Appleby Horse Fair.

Oh yeah. That makes sense. I forgot about those super creepy stalker weirdos. Haven't really heard about them in a long while, slipped my mind.

Dam, that sucks. A couple bad apples ruin the bunch.

Yes, context goes a long way. These days, I scroll right past the threads titled "Instagram" or "Good YouTube" that are half a dozen links to potential messy scenes with absolutely no context, explanation, time markers, anything.