we all love it, thats why were here, but as a newbie, im wondering how far back it goes?

has anyone looked in to it, it seems like a relatively modern fetish but i bet it must go back a fair way in some form or another as most more well defined fetishes do.

what are the roots of it? i suppose given the differing reasons WHY people do it will also have an effect, for those who enjoy the humiliation, thats going to be linked to s&m in some way id guess, those who just love childishly getting messy, thats something else entirely at root!!

Good question, one that has been explored in various ways on UMD through the years in different ways.

My preference is seeing an attractive woman taking a pie in the face. Exactly 100 years ago movie shorts were starting to hit their stride and the pie in the face was becoming more common. I have to figure that there were some people as 'moved' by these messy sight gags in the 1910s as we on the UMD are. Before movies in the 1800s, the only evidence of messy sight gags I've heard of is in theatre, like puddings being thrown.

I was a kid through the sixties to early '70s when TV gave us more chance of being exposed to various messy situations and gags. When I saw Lucy get pied on the Diner episode (at age 4 or so) , I knew I wanted to see more of that and thought about what it would be like to see the attractive women I saw (in person and through media) get pied. Scenes involving pretty women getting pied were rare, but I know that a lot of us in the US got our first interest through the scenes we did see like Marlo Thomas, Elizabeth Montgomery, etc. In Britain they had their messy shows and eventually TISWAS . When Nickelodean came along especially with messy gameshows, I think it helped entice kids from the next generation.

I was in my 30s in the 1990s when I first realized that other guys had the pie fetish like myself. I caught a couple of Penthouse Forums (in the late 80s) that involved a liking for pies in the face, so I knew I wasn't the only one on the planet with this unusual fetish. Then I read in a Razzle Magazine that introduced me to Splosh and Aquantics in England. The first Splosh magazine I read led me to Rob Blaine, Jay (in Canada), and eventually Hurley, Lennie, Mark (in FL), Steve, and others. We caught scenes from TV and traded clip tapes to each other. Hurley and Mark amassed a large number of great messy cliptapes. We could see more scenes than I could have imagined when I was a kid.

This was all before the time when the internet evolved into a medium where we have great sites like UMD and scenes are so available to us.

As a silent film buff, I can help a bit here.

The earliest knwon existing pie-in-the-face in cinema comes from 1909 BUT that may not be (probably isn't) the first time it occurred on film. Around 95% of all films made during this period are now lost, and so we can only judge from the 5% we still have. The American film industry at this time was in New York as was, of course, the major theatres, and many participants in films were actually stage actors trying out the new medium. Ben Turpin, for example, the recipient of that 1908 or 1909 pie in the face had worked in vaudeville and circuses for some time by this point (he was forty in 1909). Therefore, it's almost a certainty that he brought much of his stage act into his film work - including jokes with water and mess of various kinds. What's more the 1909 film also features water-play as well. The 1909 film can be found here:

https://youtu.be/33fPyHCblH0

But things go back further than that. What is thought to be the world's first fiction film, made in 1895 or 1896, also has slapstick elements, with a guy getting soaked due to a boy's prank being the centre of the film.

https://youtu.be/IooPPi1YzkM

Again, it's highly unlikely that this kind of fun was unique to film. The hosepipe film is French, and so there is the likelihood that this kind of thing was present on French stages prior to this - and no doubt in British music halls too.

I can't help further than that, but that's how the film origins appear, and a clue that they were around long before that.

Thanks, Webcamplayer!

I'm surprised that I've never seen nor heard about these two shorts!

The Ben Turpin film was great! I had to laugh; for the guys who enjoy women humiliating men, (including a pie in the face and getting squirted with seltzer) this was a 1909 bonanza! :devil:

Thanks so much for posting these!

Norman

Both Wetlook and Mudlarking probably go back centuries in warm climates - I'd not be surprised if naked mudplay hasn't been around for thousands of years. Food sploshing will be much more recent as it's only in the last 150-odd years we as a species have had an abundance of food available - before that every edible scrap would have been precious, though people may have used rotten / gone off items to humiliate prisoners in stocks. But where Hollywood has people being pelted with tomatoes, in reality they were probably most likely pelted with mud or dung. Food would have been just too scarce and valuable for ordinary people to waste.

Though going right back to the Egyptian era, Cleopatra is supposed to have bathed in milk - kings and queens of the greater civilisations could generally do as they pleased. However there aren't any records I know of connecting such baths with sexuality, at least not directly. Interesting thought though.