I think we take for granted how many WAM recipients take their pies and slime with uncovered eyes. I know in my shooting career all of my messy victims have gotten the muck with no eye protection at all (except for one situation that doesn't need to be discussed right now). But sometimes models ask--and rightfully so--why I don't at least offer swim goggles.

If I can help it, I'll never incorporate goggles in my videos, but I did think of one benefit to them. A model wearing goggles won't feel the need to cover up their face or wipe their eyes immediately afterward. In fact, if you want to completely constrain arm movement, offering goggles could be a way to do it ethically without the victim worrying about anything getting in their eyes.

So my question is: if you had a chance to slime your ideal victim, but they were either going to try to naturally shield/wipe their eyes with their hands or wear swim goggles but not touch their face at all, which would you choose? Let's say this is an unscripted sliming without a scene/character where goggles wouldn't break suspension of disbelief. I know the ideal answer would be to throw your weight around order the model not to touch their face, but let's pretend we're dealing with a WAM newbie and don't want them to resent the experience.

Also, I'm wondering how much of a deal-breaker small swim goggles are to you. I thought they were a no-go for me personally, until I looked back on all the old TV shows that inspired my video work and realized how often goggles were used. I guess I just stopped noticing them. And they get obscured after the initial impact anyway...

Gotta be honest I think the dislike and in some cases hate Goggles is harsh. Like for reals I dunno if its just how my mind works, but I can't ever do any WAM relate activity without Goggles. I just I have so many memories of stuff going in my eyes like shampoo or water etc and it stinging/itchy. So I'm all for them and I think for health and safety they should be allowed. Plus they always kinda remind me of gameshows growing up a lot of folk getting gunged would wear goggles so I have a nostalgia association as well.

If a model feels they are likely to react badly to substances in their eyes, I would tend to think that WAM was probably not for them.

Most substances don't have any long term effects on the eyes (some smarting for a day or two at the most). The romantic partners and models I've worked with have all been daily wearers of eye makeup - this makes them generally more tolerant in this regard. There have been far more complaints about stuff invading ears and noses (and elsewhere!) - than eyes.

Basically, no goggles - unless the substance is a genuine irritant - like some chilli sauces, then (unless it's a very specific custom request) I'd probably question why it's necessary to use it at all.

I personally don't feel any nostalgia for goggles as they were something that started to appear (to my annoyance!) along with protective clothing on gungey entertainment in the late eighties and nineties and by then I was a young adult with already formed WAM sensibilities.

*Having said that, as I often have given my models a 'hard time' with mess I've always accepted 'revenge' at the end of the shoot in good grace. I let someone smear a black grease concoction into my face that I'd smeared into their face and hair. Of course I immediately got a probably well-deserved eye infection

I agree with most of your post, but I have to disagree here. Some of my most enthusiastic slimees have still been wary of getting stuff in their eyes. They don't mind the extra shampooing, they don't mind smelling like cake for days, they don't mind pie crust being found places well after the shoot, but we're all wary of getting stuff in our eyes--we're humans. And though models wear eye makeup, eye makeup doesn't drip.

But to another point of yours: protective clothing is a one million percent no-go for me. There's no defense for TV shows that do that--unless they're maybe pulling people from the audience. But even then, offer souvenir T-shirts and pants or something, I dunno. Boo to protective coverings!

Before I bought some actual gunge to get messy with for the first time I was playing around with some shampoo and got some in my eyes. Man it was bad and one swelled up for a few days. Took nearly a week to get back to normal.

I was nervous gunge would do the same so I asked for advice for a first timer and someone suggested goggles, was not keen on the idea as felt it would really get in the way of the experience. I did a test after mixing the first batch and luckily it was fine.

For me goggles would kinda stop me enjoying a scene, I'm a bit odd tho in that if the head doesn't get covered it doesn't really count for me.

I have a feeling the response to this will largely depend on how important someone thinks "face mess" is compared to "whole person messy".

From my own personal "what works for me" POV, I couldn't care less if someones' face stays completely clean, what I'm into is seeing a woman's clothed lower-half getting messy, legs, bum, crotch, lower trunk. If anything I like their faces to stay clean at first so we can see their reactions as their clothes are filled or covered, and they can have a clear view of what is being done to them. In addition to which I have very sensitive eyes so I totally sympathise with models not wanting stuff that stings or smarts in theirs. Plus I could never enjoy a scene where a model was in obvious eye discomfort, if that ever happens during one of our shoots we halt the shoot immediately and provide as many tissues and as much water as the model needs to feel comfortable again before continuing.

Obviously the market has made clear it doesn't like goggles (other than in specific custom scenes where they're part of the outfit), and does like full head and face coverage, so in scenes for sale, that's what we do, but we still take care not to use anything that might sting eyes in face pours. We'd never pour syrup or tomato-based stuff down someone's face, for example, as they both sting like hell. Custard and gunge on the other hand, according to our regulars, are fine. For us, model comfort comes before everything else, which is why the same people will happily work with us for year after year and do dozens of scenes.

But if someone was doing a scene just for me, not for sale, and wanted to wear goggles, it wouldn't bother me at all, in fact I'd be happier knowing they felt more comfortable. I'd probably suggest the larger, clear, flat-front safety kind than swimming ones too, as while larger, they'd give a better view of her face and eyes through them, which would be better for seeing her reactions as she sat on stuff or had her trousers filled.

Growing up on 90s gameshows I sometimes even enjoy goggles! Weird, I know...

So much of what I like about WAM is the context - the story I've written in my head. When a girl is wearing goggles, the context is: she's going to be get messy, but she doesn't know when or how bad so she needs to be prepared now already. And I LOVE that. The tension. She's here voluntarily (whereas getting slimed, etc. without goggles implies complete surprise) but that doesn't mean she's necessarily thrilled about it. The goggles are as much a visual cue that something messy is about to go down as is a table full of pies.

However, I don't actually ask for goggles in my custom scenes, because most aren't gameshows and context is everything here.

But given the two options in this poll, I'd 100% take the goggles with full face mess. When a girl looks down or blocks her face, it's over for me.

Can't stand goggles in a wam scene. You don't see the reactions as much with the goggles and it feels less a natural set-up. Wiping is fine as it allows a second covering and fits with a natural mess reaction.

They are the worse and a complete turnoff for me in but thats just me if u cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen but to each their own

Well said! Exactly the same here, but the gay version. Goggles can be hot in a scene and this is why.

I'm considering getting started producing some of my own content. I would offer a model swim goggles if those would make them more comfortable. I understand this might put some people off of the content, but ultimately, the model's comfort is conducive to producing more content with them, and if goggles help, so be it. I'd rather have a model have fun and return for multiple shoots with goggles than be miserable through one shoot without them.

I wouldn't be a fan of those large safety goggles, personally. I think if a model insisted on those I would probably just not shoot with them. I actually think swim goggles are more effective and less prone to slipping off of the face, anyway. The big goggles can get heavy with mess and end up falling off if they aren't appropriately sized and tightened.