clipsforsale.com

Do you ever find anything neat on there you don't see advertised on the umd? I imagine there are lots of producers that will do a WAM scene, but don't advertise it on here bc they don't know it exists. Or maybe they are too lazy.

Is there a site similar to it?

Yes, there's tons of good stuff on there, and lots of wam models you'll recognise making their own scenes. Also a great place to identify lots of new fetishes you didn't know you had.

my humble opinion is that it's an awful website design and they presumably have high seller fees because the downloads are usually about twice the price of those on vidown or umd

There's definitely some good stuff there that I've never seen anywhere else. The big problem though is that the "wet and messy" category for them also includes urination videos and stuff. So you see a lot of non-wam things looking up wet and messy as a category.

I have bought a few clips from there (mainly Kym/Cali's stuff), but I wouldn't say I'm a regular customer, mainly for two reasons.

1) The clips seem very expensive compared with vidown, umd etc.
2) You don't get a gallery of pics beforehand, so you don't know if the mess is very good. You get a very brief preview clip/gif, nothing else. That makes it a huge gamble as to whether paying the hefty price tag is worthwhile.

I agree. That is why I am looking for an alternative.

Despite its all-around suckiness, I've always kept an eye on Clips4Sale for mud videos that somehow don't get plugged here. I've found a couple of one-off mud wrestling videos from catfight producers, and one or two decent mud humiliation vids from bondage producers ... but you're never going to come across a previously unknown wam goldmine there.

Very little Female on Male Wam though. I have bought about 3 clips from there

there search engine kinda sucks for links but hopefully this will work
1.
http://clips4sale.com/13392/mistress-roug-e-uk/Cat0-AllCategories/Page1/Category-desc/Limit10/search/WET+%26+MESSY

its Mistress Rouge UK - splashed my gimp faggot

2. a few from the mean girls
http://clips4sale.com/32364/american-mean-girls/Cat0-AllCategories/Page1/DisplayOrder-asc/Limit20/search/WET+%26+MESSY

3. good luck with the search but its video(remember search engine sucks) . its from Randi Wright
48893
66307
66309

4-there was one more from Vixenslair but i can't seem to find that one anymore. appears to be gone or its just lost in their fucked up search engine.

however, if anyone else finds good female messy up male's, please let us know because this is all i could find. it is 99% women only getting messy.

The seller fees are basically the same. The reason the prices are higher is because they don't allow producers to undercut each other by selling a 30 min scene for $5. The minimum you can price a clip is based on length. For producers it's a much better system. People on here complain when their favorite producers announce they aren't going to be producing wam anymore because it's unprofitable. It's only unprofitable because the community here (overall) doesn't value the work that people put in to their videos.

I had a running battle with them for years. I was blocked from purchasing a video because I supposedly hadn't paid for the last one. I provided my receipt and had an email response from one of their clerks saying yes, I'd paid, and everything was ok. Then I tried to purchase the new video and found I was still blocked. A higher up in the outfit said I still hadn't paid, so I emailed him the series of emails from his own clerk. He still said I hadn't paid. Since then, I've purchased everything directly from UMD or other sellers with no problem.

Plus the site is terribly disorganized.

How would you even get a video without paying for it?

I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Everybody wants videos for next to nothing and you just can't keep on producing videos without getting a return that is sufficient to keep producing.

I have looked at putting our videos on Clips4Sale but haven't got around to it yet. Maybe thats an option that opens up to new customers and keeps us going.

I have had great luck with clips4sale. Payouts are on time, 24/7 customer service plus the traffic is great. I know some customers dislike the lack of previews but I always make my own previews anyway. But at this point I do feel like wam production is eventually just going to be amateurs. I don't mean that as an insult to amateur producers, it's just that if you are professionally producing videos it doesn't make sense to shoot high cost scenes for a limited market where there is a race to the bottom in prices.

My prices on all of my newer clips with good equipment are reflective of the c4s pricing.
$ 1/min. is not that expensive for a scene that has a high overhead and additional time in cleanup.

At times I'll look them up to see if there are any messy bare feet videos.