This was something brought to my attention by a few people on here and other sites. I would chat with people for a while but as soon as they saw on my page that I had a store they became uninterested in talking with me or accused me of talking with them only to promote myself and my store. WAM is something that I love so it hurts when people think I am only doing it or discussing it for money. It has put me on the brink of closing my store. Let me know more in depth what you think in the comments. You don't have to name names or anything, just let me know your feelings on the subject. What do you think of models and other store owners on here?

I think that there will be a few exceptions but as a general rule all models and producers who do it will have a general interest if not enjoyment of WAM. I love the fun I have running my site and do it purely for that reason. I certainly don't make megabucks from it and at times it is incredibly hard work. If I didn't enjoy it I certainly wouldn't bother. I think any producer who has been around for any length of time will be the same. Anyone starting up thinking it is a good and easy way to make a quick buck will soon realise that it ain't that easy and disappear pretty quickly.

Models vary but many I work with want to do it again because they find the shoots fun. They are usually very apprehensive about being gunged for the first time but many are surprised to find they quite enjoy it. Some just can't get enough of it and actually nag me to get gunged again. Karen is a prime example of this, Scarlot was another. If you look at the likes of Tinrda and Messy Jessie being gunged you can tell they are absolutely loving it.

Don't be put off making your videos because of some opinionated eejits. If people didn't have stores and share messy experiences then this place would be much the poorer in my opinion.

You shouldn't take it personally, people will always make assumptions. But to answer your question that really depends on the person. I've meet a lot of fetish models over the years and it seems about half of the girls do it because they have fetishes and the other half were just models who realized they could make more money doing fetish work than mainstream stuff.

If you see the model often, either the pay is really good or the model likes WAM.......or both, hehe. I can assure you Messygirl Lane is a WAM fan all the way. I think I may get a "I getting pied in the face" t-shirt sometime.

This is how I feel about running mine. I have my WAM partner take the videos, but I edit them and run the store myself. It's not an easy task. But it's enjoyable. Plus WAM can be an expensive fetish, so making a little money off my store helps me justify spending the money to get myself messy.

Very much enjoyed our chats about mud pits, peanut butter, almond bark (had never heard of that before you mentioned it -- so decadent), all the different kinds of cakes (bundt cake -- the perfect cake for sex, lol)... Very envious that you baked several sheet cakes for a full-on bed splat. Always wanted to do that but never quite had the energy for making more than two or three cakes. That's some serious love for getting messy there!

I've been on a sort of self-imposed ban from chat for a while (that's a different story), but it's a blast talking to like minded folks who get turned on by getting totally trashed!
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95% of producers have the WAM fetish
50% of female models have the WAM fetish

Am I right?

Ahh....no.

99% of producers have a WAMfetish
5% of models have a WAMfetish.

95% of models have never heard of it.

I'd imagine most producers or models who run their own store enjoy it. This is probably one of the worst profit margins of any type of fetish because of the high cost of supplies to do it. Thus, they probably wouldn't be doing it if they weren't interested.

As far as models that are hired by producers, it probably is a mix. I'd guess that fetish work does pay more than mainstream modeling, and there is no extra overhead for them.

I think as long as you are having fun keep doing it, I'd love to have the opportunity to make money at something that I love and is so fun. (Not saying all you producers are in it for the money or make money at all.) Just have fun and stay happy life is stressful enough.

It was also brought up in another thread about comments people make, ignore them, talk to the people you want to talk to. I'm sure you have true fans ( I am) So stick with them and you'll do fine. STAY MESSY

If you want to know how many models are true wammers, you need only look at those who posted here for years before ever trying to make money from it, or after closing up their store. It's a very short list. And while of course some models can derive legitimate enjoyment while getting messy, I suspect the enjoyment would be greatly diminished if not wiped out entirely if there wasn't a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow so to speak.

Don't get me wrong - there are a lot of models on here who I believe care greatly about making their customers happy and producing an excellent product. But that's a far cry from them actually enjoying the WAM aspect of it.

And be wary of models who trip over themselves either here or in their other posts saying how they really do love WAM. When they have to lay it on thick (pun intended) like that, chances are they want you to buy into the fantasy, which is fine. But don't mistake that for genuine enjoyment of WAM.

I tend to believe that if someone isn't into something after trying it, then they really shouldn't be acting like they do.

Conversely, if someone truly does love something, then it would be wonderful if we could just believe them with no qualms.

Unfortunately, the realities of profit and the issues with step one cause us to be wary and then judge when it comes to step two (ie: someone who does it, isn't really into it at all, but plays the charade for the almighty dollar).

With that said, it's definitely entirely possible for someone who hasn't heard of it and hasn't done it before to become interested. That was the case with my girlfriend - she was hesitant and nervous the first time she took eggnog over the head, but by the third WAM session she was getting very frisky and friendly with the strawberry syrup. Granted though we're not selling scenes (though I absolutely record them) so there isn't an acting concern there. :footinmouth:

In my experience, most models enjoy doing it but from a fun point of view, rather than a sexual one. I've had models do dozens of shoots, and we're certainly not paying megabucks, they came back again and again because they liked it. I was contacted the other day by a girl who actually lives way down in Moominland, but did a few shoots for us before she moved south, to say someone had accidentally spilled a bowl of milk over her and she found herself rather enjoying it, and would like to get properly gunged again, and when can she come back up to Yorkshire for a weekend of messy fun?

Also, just because a woman doesn't post regularly on sites like the UMD doesn't mean she's not into WAM, I know a few girls who really get off, sexually, on being gunged. They do their own private gungings either on their own or with partners (I know of one girl who got the singer of a touring rock band to take her back to his hotel room and cover her in whipped cream once!), but don't feel any need to be active in the Internet scene. For a rather good explanation of why, see the first post by "itsagaz" (7 posts down) in this thread: http://umd.net/forums/what_happened_to_nickiand3babi

I think it really depends on the model and one producer can have both. I know that Fawn from WAMF seemed to really have fun. I would assume that would apply by different degrees to her models. You can SEE that Ariel, Jayce and Jilly really like what they are doing, or at least Ariel and Jayce (I have never dealt directly with Jilly). Star and Max both really enjoy it from my limited conversations with Star.
On the other hand, there were others like Gia who took a strict business approach. I remember her initially posting that she had only recently become aware of WAM and that she was willing to give it a whirl. Seemed like it was strictly for business, but she (and possibly her models) could take it or leave it.

I think that most models and producers enjoy their work. Doing it purely to make money doesn't make sense since for the most part, producers simply DON'T make much money. If the producers don't make money, then either they don't pay the models, or they're very well-off hobbyists. If the models aren't getting paid, then what money are they in it for?

Now, let's take a different angle on this. Let's say that someone is out to make massive amounts of money by making erotic videos. There's no logically-sound reason that they would actively choose to make a product which is only going to appeal to a certain subset of a subset of a non-mainstream kink. After all, stupidity isn't logically sound, hence why it's stupidity. Pleasure isn't logical either, since for one thing it's subjective. However, if it's about pleasure, then money is no longer your sole reason for making a video.

The other thing to bear in mind with pleasure is that it exists on multiple levels. Just because a model isn't getting off to having her body coated in whatever gunky concoction the producer wants them to be coated in, doesn't mean she's not having fun being there. Similarly, just because she's being paid doesn't mean she's not enjoying it. Having a job that's both enjoyable and able to sustain yourself is the dream, and there are people out there who make it their reality.

Bear in mind I'm speaking entirely from a consumer's viewpoint, so I could very easily be way off with my thoughts. I'm also not saying that every producer and every model is making WAM videos for their enjoyment, just that I believe that most of them do enjoy it on some level or another even without money being a factor.

Get your logical, sensible ideas the hell out of here!

I don't know if this has been said yet, but I feel that most of the producers are probably into this stuff. The models are a different story. For all models it is a source of income, but I feel that in some cases they may enjoy their job or even that particular fetish. I could definitely see a bunch of models either doing it because they genuinely enjoy it or trying it and then coming to love it

whatever the truth is re models & enjioyment, please dont close your shop - your vids are wonderful - its very obvious YOU enjoy wam!

Meathook below you had the right of it, although I'd suggest he's off on the 5% of models having the fetish. More like .5%

I can count on my hand the number of women who do this for free or started out doing this for free. I don't begrudge anyone making a buck off this, more power to them, but don't kid yourself where their interests lie. Some might have fun with it, but take the money off the table, or even offer to simply cover the costs of goods and clean-up, and see 99.9% of them disappear.

Producers, though? The male ones are surely close to 100%. I won't comment on my thoughts on the % for female ones, lest a shitstorm arise, but it's probably closer to that other # I was throwing around than the # for their male counterparts.

Fetishes, in general, are primarily a male thing.




Shorter still if you subtract the females who showed up here to "do it for free" and then coincidentally hooked up with Chris a few weeks after.

Just cuz models don't WAM in their personal life doesn't mean they don't like it... I wouldn't say models "have a WAM fetish", but I would guess 50% enjoy doing the shoots. If they didn't I don't think you'd see certain models in many many scenes. I think Soundguy once said this... "Who wouldn't enjoy getting covered in sex lube?" (paraphrasing!)

BTW Stella I really enjoy your stuff! It's quite obvious you enjoy it!

I don't think I have any preconceptions when it comes to WAM models, although personally I do much prefer it when a model is clearly enjoying herself.

Incidentally, I know for a fact that Messy Jessie for one absolutely loves it.

You can't expect anyone to produce and post free content be it wam, bondage, vanilla sex, etc. Saying someone isn't really into wam because they won't give away free wam videos is like saying someone doesn't like sex because they won't let you fuck them on camera for free. My husband and I have all sorts of perverted fun at home but I'm not going to video tape that and post it just to prove that I'm into kinky sex.

Edited to add: Also I don't think it's accurate to say fetishes are a mostly male thing. Like I previously said about %50 of the fetish models I have worked with do have fetishes. Many do not publicly admit to them however because they want to avoid harassment. As a woman if you are on a fetish site you do get subjected to sexually explicit messages from random strangers, some of which can be violent and threatening. I have no problem ignoring those messages but for a lot of people it is very disturbing to have strangers telling you they want to commit acts of sexual violence against you.

I think it totally depends on the model to be honest and I think most are able to tell who is truly into it and who is kind of just going through the motions - it's easy to tell who is pretending to be turned on (over the top porn moaning etc.) and who is really enjoying it (soft panting, eyes closing, more sensual etc.) I think pretty much all producers are into it otherwise they wouldn't make the content but models I would say are a mix of both. Models like Ariel, Jayce & Jilly are clearly having fun with it and Kaydens is obviously very turned on by what she does and was into WAM before she even started making content. I also think there are several models out there who may not have really been into it before or who had never heard of it but became aroused during the shoots and continue to come back for more. Some models are also just normal girls who's significant other/BF got them into it and now clearly enjoy it a great deal (I'm thinking MudBunny here!) Even the models who may not really be turned on by it still tend to just have silly fun otherwise they would not comeback for multiple shoots. I think the number of models who are completely NOT into it at all or grossed out is probably fewer than you might think, ...most probably just have never heard of it before.

Lots of opinions here, some I agree with from experience.

But first, calling wam a "non-mainstream kink" seems to get more absurd a claim every year...there's plenty of mainstream appeal in various wam scenes (eroticized, or not, or subtly ssexualized)...with even some cheeky innuendo (in sit coms, like Family Matters, the tit for tat food mess-up scenes between two girls, and Erkel, repeated with variation a least three or four times or the course of that series)....and certainly the humiliation aspect of wam (salirophilia) is mainstream (since the days of silent), and its prevalence in music videos (usually eroticized) is practically cliche. But I won't belabor that point.

As for models liking it...

Most here are correct: it does depend on the model, but also, the SUBSTANCE...most models enjoy wetlook (now there's a mainstream form of wam for you; it's in practically every fashion magazine edition) and slime/gunge (if warm) is frequently (unexpectedly) pleasurable for many models.

As for slapstick (pies), there is tremendous variation in liking/disliking this...if they like the flavor of the pie, then models will like getting it in their faces OK. Shaving cream is sometimes preferred by the prissier models (who think it is an easier clean up, less messy) but if their eyes start to sting, that becomes a problem...also, the nature of the SCENE is important (and the treatment of the model by the producer)...if the model has a sense of fun and humor (besides needing the cash), she usually enjoys(has fun with) the experience

I've worked with several models that enjoyed some aspect of wam (from a "fun experience" to more sensual enjoyment).... but only one model who seemed to really "get" the wam thing ,and confessed (on camera) to really liking it (and even "wanting more" after one scene): Tamara Z.

Forgive me if I'm rude, but this is more to everyone involved with this chain. I think that's a little unfair. That's almost like saying all the people here who have no photos or videos have absolutely no interest in the fetish. I haven't even been here as a member more than a year. It take a lot of guts, as someone who is in it for the fetish, to post content (much less one involving your face). To expect people just post free videos is like saying you would give anyone on the internet a free hand job.

I know there are a lot of videos out there where the models don't like WAM, but they are usually high volume producers or models. Frankly, it isn't just WAM scenes either, it's pretty much all of their content. I was referring more to the girls of UMD. Models who have profiles or operate their stores on here. If you think there .5% of us have the fetish then there are an aweful lot more women on here than I expected.