Should we create a list of dos and don'ts for new producers and content creators entering this space? Like specifically towards the different "groups" of us?

example: Make sure the model is facing towards the camera after a pie? Could be more specific but that's the gest.

I've seen too many new creators come in and attempt to make content and its great except a few major things so it spoils the whole production. Amy thoughts?

You can't create a useful list of different people's personal preferences. It'll get too long and have conflicting advice almost immediately.

New producers should get trained on the basics that span all genres of photography and videography: lighting, composition, focus and optional audio. And for that they need to run far far away from UMD and into the loving arms of the countless content creators on Youtube that specialize on exactly that. Then we just need to trust they'll eventually develop a style that's consistent with what we personally want to see. If they don't, we'll just wait for the next one.

Facing the camera after a pie?!?! Never do that, you should be focusing on the mess sliding down their body, pooling in their lap and running down their (lycra covered) legs. But you should use gunge instead of pies because anyone who likes pies is wrong.



More seriously...
Do: create content that you like so even if your dreams of becoming a porn baron don't play out how you hoped, at least you'll have a collection of videos which are to your tastes.

As TheSpecialist says, learning a bit about about videography is invaluable. Poor lighting or poor camera work will mean you're fighting an uphill battle.

This^

I mean, if we want "new" producers, then that means being open to "new" ideas in how content is shot. Listing preferences is both counterproductive to that and also droll as it would just be another complaint thread on here. In the end, the producers vision is the producers vision. We just hope that others share or have a love for it.

I personally feel Specialist hits the nail on the head about knowing HOW to shoot is more important. Like what is the point of having a scene shot how you like it but it's noisy AF because they lit the scene poorly? So if people actually have an interest in learning things like ISO, Aperture/iris, shutter speed, framing, composition, etc, then they need to learn outside the confines of the UMD.

Although I agree with Specialist and NEP, I will add that I also sympathize with KakeKid's perspective. You can tell producers who share the fetish and those who think they can make a buck off of quick, easy content. "What, I just have to put my face in some whipped cream?" In other words, some things are not just a difference in preference but also effort and understanding.
The Man The Wife... is a great example of the former (i.e., producer shares the fetish) and their stuff (I presume) sells well accordingly.

There are still some production suggestions that we can make.

The first one that comes to mind for me is: video quality, lighting and camera angles matter.

You don't need a multi thousand dollar camera but if I see washed out lighting, grainy quality, with the top of the model's head cut off, I skip right by.

Yes.

Many new producers don't immediately start making Human Garbage Disposal style open legged savory scenes and instead make the wrong kind wam. I think guidance toward making the correct scenes is incredibly important.

Pro amateur tip: if filming in a bathroom then please remove the bottles of shampoo and anything else from around the bath.

I think we could do a generic list of helpful hints.

Make sure you have contracts for any customs you do and before you take any money.
If you are shooting with a phone shoot sideways aka landscape.
You don't need a lot of expensive equipment, just make sure the area is well lit.
Make sure to keep everything professional, even with friends.
Treat your people right, word will eventually get around if you are hard to work with or don't treat models right.
Don't be afraid to ask for advice and try not to take any criticisms that are constructive personally.
The creepy messages that will come to your inbox do not represent the majority of the community, make sure to report the messages to messmaster and call out the people sending those messages. There are a few people that will get messages from these folks and some will speak out after someone else does.
It is not easy getting things going and you will not make bank from this. It is truly a labor of love and you will probably make barely enough to cover expenses in your first few years.

Another topic to research outside of UMD- have a solid understanding of posing and modelling.

When you're behind the camera, this is all about communication, making your models feel 'at ease' and confident, and this ties in strongly with camera and lighting knowledge.
Also be aware of constant verbal directions in the final video cut- some people can be really put off by the continuous "do X", "put your hands here", "and now do Y" etc...

In front the camera, you/your models really really benefit from a natural confident smile. Smile not just with your mouth, but with your face and whole body- there is a lot about body language and confidence which makes your photos and videos really shine.
(Feeling a little nervous when entering a gunge tank is fine- just aim for the "happy comfortable" or "excited" nerves, same as what people feel when they first get on a roller coaster).

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My general thoughts on filming in a bathroom is "don't"
The lighting is usually terrible, there's no power sockets (luckily battery tech has gotten a lot better), and it's often a really cramped and claustrophobic space.
All of which conspire together to make filming a little more trickier than it need be, especially the space issue- which makes the lighting even harder.
[This also potentially blocks access to the toilet, or you may end up shooting with toilet aromas]

It's more work to set up- but modest sized hotel room can be converted into a messy area in a few hours. Dust sheets, tarps, and a big inflatable pool to contain everything can be set in the corner of the room, which gives you plenty more space to adjust lighting and set up different camera angles.
(Tarp the entire floor including the walk to the shower and dust sheet the entire room- mess tends to fly everywhere)

Also- double check the shower function before your model gets messy.

If your in a hotel or public building; find out when they test the fire alarms.

As an example of the difference proper lighting makes, my profile picture has proper lighting whilst the rest of the photos on my profile don't have the same lighting.

I am a stickler for always shooting in landscape mode. I usually watch vids on my phone and it is more comfortable to hold the phone that way (especially if you are doing something else while watching...).

Yes, I support producers shooting widescreen. It just looks more professional thatn "cellphone vertical" as I call it, which just looks low budget and sloppy esp when the lighting is bad and washed out,

Another one to give feedback is girls shooting a second or third scene with wet hair following a shower. I understand that shooting multiple shoots in a day is tough with the turnaround but I rarely buy scenes that look like this because, again, it comes off as sloppy and lower effort.