It's too bad that Facebook is very hard to search (it's totally possible, but the search results are incredibly inaccurate and difficult to sort, and if you try restricting by month - you better do it early in the month or the system goes haywire)...but there are a lot of these gems out there on Facebook if you can unearth them. (I guess this dealership put them on Youtube as well, but that's unusual).
It's fitting that this comes in the wake of the Hurley thread, because I can't think of a more classic Hurley-type scene than this. (ignoring the fact that, as Moose pointed out, the set-up is pretty nonsensical).
Car dealerships are quite common places to have pie-in-the-face events and contests, but naturally they typically don't feature many ladies (unless they include, like, the folks in the billing department). Other common places - physical fitness centers, banks and credit unions, chiropractor's offices, dentist's offices...
Sure, like an outfit called Gateway Companies recently did a contest where one of its employees named Mindy Dawn (of Mindy Dawn Photography) was pied. That video is pretty easy to find.
I could probably make a list of several other pretty awesome facebook clips and pics, but it would take some work to put together.
Facebook searching is so stupid. The way to do it is to restrict your searches to the current month and year, but the system can't handle even that - so it sometimes only works for the first couple days of the month. Then, if you try it on a different day, it will magically work a little better.
I'm not sure Rachel in #9 in a salesperson. The key is that you have to get the car places to expand into the billing department, the receptionists, the processing people, etc. - those are where the ladies tend to be. Matt Blatt does have several employees that fit this bill - I don't want to post names specifically, due to the IWK here (Idiots and White Knights).
I don't care for scripted scenes because it makes it less authentic to me, but it is definitely nice to have high quality camerawork. I would call these scenes "half-scripted" - because there's no scripted reaction to receiving the pie - you just read something and then the pie happens however it happens. More unscripted aftermath would be nice for me, but you take what you can get.
This is a tough one to influence - like, you could easily contact someone at Matt Blatt and suggest that they use certain people. But, it's tough to invent a reason why you're doing it in this case - or as I call it, to invent a Useful Persona (UP). The Probability of Influence (PoI) is fairly low. You also must evaluate the Probability of Negative Influence (PoNI) - the chance that they might become suspicious of your motives, or just be generally annoyed at you, and produce less content as a result. The PoNI is quite low in these cases - car dealerships only care about turning profit, not your motives.
When the PoI exceeds the PoNI, it is rational to create one or more UPs and initiate a Campaign. However, at all costs, the IWK must be excluded.
So, the question becomes - what resources should be put into the Campaign? What is your Resource Tolerance Level (RTL) for this Campaign? Well, obviously, that's a direct function of the PoSI (Probability of Successful Influence - the chance that your desired outcome occurs), the QoAS (Quality of Anticipated Scene - the quality of the scene that would result), and your Personal Budget multiplier (how much money and time you are willing to waste).
Like, if I was a complete idiot, I could go to Matt Blatt Mitsubishi and trade in my car for a new Mitsubishi on the condition that Jenny in parts billing be the next Daily Pie. Would this result in a Successful Influence? Almost certainly. Would it be a feasible Campaign? Not unless your Personal Budget multiplier is somewhere on the scale of Warren Buffett.
...Sorry, I was just thinking of the terminology my Modern Mafia would use....
Or you can just leave them alone, enjoy their material and not subtlety stalk them in the hopes they will produce new wank material. The hell's wrong with you?
averysboy said: Or you can just leave them alone, enjoy their material and not subtlety stalk them in the hopes they will produce new wank material. The hell's wrong with you?
Yeah, we've been over this debate many times before. You're a White Knight and I think you're in the majority. It's a philosophically indefensible position, though....I have no obligation to reveal my motivations to strangers, nor do they have any obligation to reveal theirs to me. It's not rational to operate in a world where we assume otherwise. I may have a moral obligation not to break promises that I make to other people, but I never do that.
Additionally, most people here broadly overestimate how quickly any third party will become "suspicious" of certain instigating actions, or have a negative reaction to them. It's not a natural reaction in most scenarios, unless you're doing the instigating wrong. It doesn't take a doctorate in game theory to figure out why, but I do have one .
cicada said: I have no obligation to reveal my motivations to strangers, nor do they have any obligation to reveal theirs to me
Nobody wants you to. Actually, everyone wants you not to. i.e., do not instigate someone else's actions when you have ulterior motives, because when it's done on false pretenses, it's deception. You can be a passive viewer, or even engage in ongoing action, but don't start phoning up the guys and being like, "Hey, what about Sally from sales?". No. No. No.
It doesn't take a doctorate in game theory to figure out why, but I do have one .
Okay, then you'll understand an analogy to an iterated Prisoner's Dilemma. A reasonable person could interpret your strategy as being equivalent to principled defection. On the assumption that this scenario has analogous information asymmetries and cost-reward profiles, it follows that the only selfishly rational strategy that informed observers have for responding to you is to defect on you in return. And that result sucks. So, stop that.
You have a doctorate? Good for you, buttercup, you failed morality 101. You can dress it up all you want, but what you're doing is creepily stalking a business and asking them to produce material for you to wank to, in a world where you literally can pay a pittance to one of over a dozen great producers. You're an entitled punk justifying your own creepiness with doctoral thesis and pseudo intellectual babble. And when called out, you resort to the tired old white knight defense. You forgot to call me a SWJ and a cuck. You know how you will never see this car place produce another video? Keep calling them, keep harassing them and justifying it. You are just another Runnin Rebel incel. Hang up the damn phone.
Cicada, I'm not trying to insult you or be a "white knight" However, I really think you should seek professional help. This is not a good way of thinking. This is stalking, that's not good dude. Stalking even a round a bout way is not sane behavior.
cakebattercustard said: I bet cicada is a Rick and Morty fan.
I'm not sure I get the reference? - Rick and Morty is pretty awesome.
Look guys, I'm aware most of you think there's a general "creep factor" in instigating material from mainstream third parties. That's a reasonable reaction, though I don't agree with it. Also, if you can't tell because you're too busy being angry, I'm being purposely obtuse in this thread to provoke people who are just ridiculously over the top (i.e. those who suggest it's "Stalking" when it obviously doesn't meet any legal definition of that word).
I'm trying to show you that not everyone is RunninRebel, and that it could be a perfectly reasonable course of action if done responsibly (and it certainly would result in more material and not less, if done carefully).
Whatevs, I'm not gonna belabor the issue. I could yack about how you're all relying on a certain moral outlook that not only disregards human free will, but is also probably incredibly influenced by historical religious traditions that have long taught people to classify "sexual things" separately in their mind and apply different moral rules to those things. But, would it really convince anyone?
Very few people on this site are strongly interested in mainstream stuff anyway. Even those that are somewhat interested are also perfectly happy with produced material, and not exclusively interested in mainstream stuff like me.
I could yack about how you're all relying on a certain moral outlook that not only disregards human free will, but is also probably incredibly influenced by historical religious traditions that have long taught people to classify "sexual things" separately in their mind and apply different moral rules to those things. But, would it really convince anyone?
Your abortive attempt to start an interesting meta-conversation doesn't exactly work when it turns out that some of the people in your audience have read and appreciated most of the collective works of Nietzsche and still think you're acting like a louse. So, yeah, maybe it's all for the best.
I'm going to tackle cicada's latest point a little bit out of order. Incidentally, "a little bit out of order" is possibly how I'm going to come across here. Eh. It's not like I'm winning any popularity contests any time soon.
I'm not gonna belabor the issue. I could yack about how you're all relying on a certain moral outlook that not only disregards human free will, but is also probably incredibly influenced by historical religious traditions that have long taught people to classify "sexual things" separately in their mind and apply different moral rules to those things. But, would it really convince anyone?
No, because that argument is a load of crap and you know it. Human free will doesn't come into the equation if you are pretending to ask for more WAM content from these people without saying that your intention is of a fetishistic nature. That is effectively coercing someone into committing a sexual act under false pretences, which utterly undermines the idea of consent and free will. If you are telling them about the fetishistic angle, you are undermining the entire premise of your actions by adding a danger element which has, time and time again, led to the end of production of WAM-esque material at best, and the deletion of said content at worst, all while acting like RunninRebel.
The influence of historical religious tradition is diminishing constantly, and Western societies are shifting in a way that rejects the bad and maintains the good. One of the good parts that is maintained is a basic semblance of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", which is the premise of a hypothetical I have for you later on. It's also why I'm talking to you in a manner not dissimilar to the manner in which you are addressing the community.
Even then, historical religious tradition has actively opposed the ability of women to be viewed as anything more than breeding stock. This is more in line with how you seem to view women based upon your actions thus far.
Look guys, I'm aware most of you think there's a general "creep factor" in instigating material from mainstream third parties. That's a reasonable reaction, though I don't agree with it. Also, if you can't tell because you're too busy being angry, I'm being purposely obtuse in this thread to provoke people who are just ridiculously over the top (i.e. those who suggest it's "Stalking" when it obviously doesn't meet any legal definition of that word).
Consider the following. The workplace of one of your loved ones posts a picture on social media. That picture happens to depict your loved one in open-toed shoes. Someone from the foot fetish community posts that picture to their website, and from there someone (let's call them Harvest Fly for the sake of argument) uses decides to find out more about the person in the open-toed shoes, and start asking them and their employer for more content that appeals to their foot fetish.
If you see that as okay, then you are perhaps far more gone than everyone else is claiming. If not, you are using whatever moral rules best suit you in a given situation, thus making you a hypocrite.
I'm trying to show you that not everyone is RunninRebel, and that it could be a perfectly reasonable course of action if done responsibly (and it certainly would result in more material and not less, if done carefully).
Perhaps not everyone is RunninRebel, but you certainly seem to be demonstrating some similarities. The only other thing you are demonstrating is your ability to stalk innocent people to trick them into creating wank material. Sure, you can wax philosophical about how that's not a bad thing, but even if you were able to convince people that what you're doing is morally justifiable, it's exceptionally reasonable to question that without details on the methodology.
As such, how exactly are you doing this "responsibly", and what methods are you using?
Very few people on this site are strongly interested in mainstream stuff anyway. Even those that are somewhat interested are also perfectly happy with produced material, and not exclusively interested in mainstream stuff like me.
There are more of us than you think, but we tend to stay out of the limelight here as this is mostly a platform for producers to promote in public.
I'm not sure I get the reference? - Rick and Morty is pretty awesome.
You appear to be Rick and Morty fan who thinks they're a lot more clever than they truly are. I never would have imagined such a thing. Or to put it in terms you'll get: You're a Jerry who thinks he's a Rick.
averysboy said: How in the honest fuck does a pie in the face turn into a treatise about Neitzsche? What the fuck happened here? I blame Runnin Rebel. And Trump.
From what I gather it all makes sense if you have a doctorate in game theory. Think "A Beautiful Mind" but with pies and parabolic equations and shit.
No I shant be checking out said blog, because said blog encourages the use of videos with minors and pretends there's not a sexual interest in any of this. ''Tis a toxic and false place that gives off an entitled creepy vibe and hides behind a false pretense of innocent fun. It's the WAM version of the child molestor bike shop owner from Different Strokes.
averysboy said: No I shant be checking out said blog, because said blog encourages the use of videos with minors and pretends there's not a sexual interest in any of this. ''Tis a toxic and false place that gives off an entitled creepy vibe and hides behind a false pretense of innocent fun. It's the WAM version of the child molestor bike shop owner from Different Strokes.
Well I'll jump in at this point since I have personal experience in this area after pulling my teen son off youtube.
He had a "kinda" popular channel, few thousand followers as a gamer, then did the ice bucket challenge a few years back.
After that, he started getting semi-creepy comments - guys wanting him to do dare videos involving getting wet. Of course, these are pedofiles and down went his channel and I had to have a very unfortunate conversation with a teen boy about adult men asking him to do things online that for him seemed innocuous but the intent behind it was a guy with a fetish.
The morality doesn't change from asking a teen boy to perform WAM or a 30 year old woman if you know they think it's just "fun" while in fact it's to satisfy a sexual desire. Then you have a huge psychological issue probably bordering on being a sociopath.