Hello everyone.

So a few days ago I was watching some classics from MessyFun I downloaded some time ago. It made me wonder, could it ever make a come back?

I know the origonal ownser sadly passed away, but does that mean it cant make a come back one way or another with someone else taking charge?

I have always admired MessyFun along side some producers today who are still going strong. Making movies back then must have been so much order. Now we can film, contactm odels and upload using our phones. Back cameras were the size of suircases, downloads were in the form of VHS and due to the internet, it was close to impossible to find an audience back then.

There movies had more of a film feeling to them. Most of the movies had multiple locations in the scene, build ups and plots. Really did put the fun in MessyFun!

In my oppinion, if it was to come back, it would involve a mix of newbies and legends of WAM in the movies. Maybe the likes of Liz Ashley, Kymberly Jane, Christina Carter, Jayce, CreamMeAgain etc.

Even just for one movie, it would be epic.

1-In your guys oppinion, do you think it would ever come back?
2-What is your favorite MessyFun movie?

Thank you for reading

Anything is possible the problem is, most of those models are retired, and I don't know if someone owns the messyfun name. Someone could always start a new site I suppose.

Brittany, one of the great Messyfun models is on the UMD from time to time and, I believe, owns the original MessyFun site; she and I are friends here so you might DM her. There is a download store linked to the site but I don't know if it works and most of the best movies are not on it. I bought several VHS videos directly from the great Rob Blaine of Austin, Texas before he passed and my favorite movie was Splatgirl starring the lovely Shaun who, fun fact, was at one time married to Mud Mad Phil of Dirty Muse. If you're going by just scenes and not full movies, my favorite scene was the 12 girl pie fight. I liked it so much, I bought it twice, once on the VHS and again on DVD just before Rob passed. Sadly, I neglected to purchase my second favorite scene, the famous Ariel's Pie shop, before Rob passed and I don't think it's available to buy anymore though it is on one of the free porn sites. Personally, I would love to see some variation of MessyFun come back. I corresponded with Rob long before he passed and his thing was pretty girls, with long hair, great figures and nice legs; we had a lot in common! He loved girls in stockings, heels and nice dresses especially, outfits that, sadly, ladies don't seem to like as much anymore. Now I really sound old! HAHAHA If someone was going to bring it back, it'd probably have to be Phil of Dirty Muse or maybe, Messygirl (also from Texas), Jayce or maybe the great Rich of Slapstick Stuff fame.

In all honestly - no. MessyFun was a product of it's time that was so well done and produced, that it just can't be replicated in modern times. Even the idea of getting the amount of high quality, gorgeous models to go nude (5 to 8 of them), in an over the top scenario, with costumes, a set/setup, cameras, lighting, editing, and that amount of mess... you're looking at $25k, easy. The odds of getting to break even on a single scene with that type of budget are statistically indistinguishable from zero.

A revival of the fun and quality of Messyfun would not come from a producer who depends on sales, it would be a passion project of someone who is wealthy enough to light a pile of money on fire for the sake of just making something amazing. I would love to be that guy some day, but the odds seem slim haha.

Honestly, and regardless of whatever else feelings about them might be around here, the person most poised to pull off something like this in this day and age IMO would have been Nadia. They hired a lot of great models and given the places they were shooting, they were independently very wealthy or heavily banked by somebody.

I can confirm Brittany (my ex Girlfriend) owns the website URL now. I am quite sure she has no interest in bringing back Massy Fun. Like my favorite drunk spy Archer said it would cost a lot more than it would make. Thanks for posting my pic above LOL Now I feel really old! Those days are long gone, the models are all married, have kids and long moved on. The business model was different back then too, Rob could afford to spend a lot of money on shoots, a VHS Tape that took a week or so to arrive also cost $60+ I remember sitting in Robs place for a couple of hours many times, a sale would make a special 'ding' on his computer, it 'dinged' many many time in that short space of time. There was just Rob and a couple of other people producing in the entire world, Rob was the only one making any kind of Mud video and he cleaned up (pun intended) ...

Phil

I have several Messy Fun tapes I bought in the 90s - apsolutely epic material but short a multi millionaire being into WAM and subsidising production with no hope of a return, we'll never see their like again, for the reasons outlined above.

Rob Blaine was one of a tiny handful of producers in that era, there were probably less than ten people producing WAM media world-wide. He paid his models a fortune by modern standards, because he knew that each 2-hour, six-scene, VHS tape would sell 3000+ copies to a worldwide audience.

Here in the UK, based mainly on tiny stills and text descriptions, we'd send of a cheque for £50, the banks would eat almost half of that and so Rob got $60, and it'd take a minimum of six weeks from him banking the cheque to them releasing the funds. Then he'd post the video, which would take another five to seven days to arrive.

Each tape would make over $180,000 in revenue over its 3,000 sales. Income like that is just a pipe-dream for any modern producer. On the upside, there's a much wider range of material available now, and any scene can be bought and downloaded in seconds, not months. But the world Messy Fun operated in is gone.

If Rob were alive and started MF today, he'd go bankrupt. Many long, movie style multiple girl scenes. With the current rate of model fees, then the cost of production and total lack of buying support by the community, he'd be lucky to recoup a 10th of what it would cost to make a video.

I will point out that Rob's remarkable Messyfun was glamor photography. Certainly you had nudity, but there was, as I recall, no actual sex. The models didn't touch themselves (no orgasms). It was otherwise startling beautiful photography of nude women cavorting in substances - enjoying acres of clay, head-first dives, and then all the studio paint and heavier sensual substances. I go back thirty years with that site when Rob would even send out his mailed newsletters (which I couldn't believe I was seeing). His WAM theme was exceedingly rare, anywhere, when the site went up. One even had to find out about Splosh via him and his site, which afforded links to the other producers who were coming around.

And then there's the other thing. People produce their own WAM and upload it - a form of the technology which was not possible yet in 1995. The glamor is largely gone, replaced by soft and hardcore sex - certainly giving people what they want but at a cost of a certain magical elegance that Rob was so good at producing, along with his fabulous stable of performers.

Glamour photography is an interesting way of describing Rob's style and the lack of sex was not just a business decision. I've heard outtakes from his source tapes while he was sitting in his living room editing scenes together where it would be getting late out at a mudpit and she was tired and she would suggest having sex with him to end the session to no avail. as best as I could every tell, Rob was not really interested in sex all that much, watching all those videos he produced while sitting on the coach was plenty good enough for him.

Messy Fun ain't coming back. Someone could nic the name but it would never be Messy Fun. And, as mentioned, one of the most important aspects of Messy Fun was the newsletter that provided the first means of meeting new people on the mud network. Forums like here provide that function nowadays.

I've posted this before, but I was the one who ordered the Pie Wedgies custom from Rob. Since we had a mutual friend and were going to use his models, he cut me a break on the price but on a call told me that he had to add in the girls stripping down nude and rubbing all over each other or he wouldn't get any sales. But true about no sex or toys.

Out of pure curiosity, what would be your estimate a model would be paid, per scene, in 1995 dollars?

Would love to see the inflation adjusted numbers compared to model fees now, which have gone up astronomically since every pretty girl has become an 'influencer.' Not knocking it, just ask someone like Rich about model fees from 15 years ago to present day. It's nuts.

MessyFun is such a nostalgic name for anyone who's into WAM. You're absolutely right that the movies they produced really had a special feeling to them. The quality, the build-ups, and the way they incorporated multiple locations--just a whole different vibe than most content we see today. I can totally see how a comeback could happen, though! The energy and experience of the veterans paired with the enthusiasm of newer performers would create something epic for sure. I think fans old and new would flock to it!

Archer I can tell you that as I used to go with Rob to the Austin Strip clubs looking for talent, its was difficult to find girls, strippers generally don't need the money, no agents, no OF so to get them to shoot Rob would offer offer $600 for one nude scene, in later years he would got more than one scene out of that $600 but that's what the nude rate was in the mind 90's. So just one of Rob's shoots would easily cost $3000+

In the early 2000's I was paying $1,200 for a single scene (porn) but still a days shooting could cost upwards of $3,000 with ease.

Phil

Who didn't you date or marry in the 90's???!!! And what happened to the ponytail???!!! All my MF VHS have been sitting in the landfill since 2001 when my parents threw them away!!!!!

His Austin buddy that became a friend of mine who ran TNVideo used to put up ads on college campuses to get all of his models. Worked like a charm.

johnnypie if we tried that these days we would probably get arrested LOL

PierreLePie well I think that's about the saddest thing I have ever heard, you poor sod. How the fuck did your Parents get a hold of your VHS tapes? Why were you still at home? Jezzz man how old were you?

I started getting models by posting ads in the (now defunct) adult section of Craigslist. And BTW, pro porn outfits like Brazzers heavily recruit off college campuses.

21...my parents gave me a choice...stay home, go to university/college in the city, and they pay my tuition...OR go anywhere else and pay your own way and/or go into massive student debt...as for the tossing of the VHS...my mistake trusting my first girlfriend to keep the secret but you know what happens when women get irate!!!! No worries, a couple years after graduating and working I had my own computer and could afford to download all the WAM I wanted since living with technological deficit elderly parents has some perks!

So about $1250 today for a single nude scene, dang that's a hell of a rate! Good for those girls and no doubt they earned it. And Phil, totally agree with today's scenes being upwards of $3000 for a single scene, EASY! In our last round of shoots, many over over $5k.

Absolutely makes one nostalgic for the multi-girl pie fights such as Pie Wedgies and the Piewell Beauty Contest, which I believe featured 12 women!

I know Rob spent $8K+ on that 12 girl pie shoot just on the girls, pies, wardrobe and camera equipment were all a lot more expensive back then. Hay I am now curious what you pay for a Porn scene these days? I think some of the models you use are from the same agency I use from time to time... PM me.

Phil

You mean all these years all these women are getting messy, muddy etc. just for the money???!!!!

Pussy costs money, dick is free!

I not only work with a lot of fetish models that do adult, but I'm friends with an adult solo producer. Adult rates are all over the map; can be $300-$800 for just a HJ scene, but can also be full porn scene for $600 to $1,000 based on the model. Now, those are amateur model rates, direct with them - DM them to book. If you're talking about pro talent, booked through an agency I can imagine it's triple that.

I could get a number of fetish models to do full nude WAM scenes for $200/hr. I pay $150/hr for non-WAM nude.

Celeste was my first WAM favorite model.
I think she clearly defined my type of model, still today!

Celeste was a TNV upskirt model, loaned to Rob.

Phil is becoming more legendary every day! I thought you were married to Shaun in the picture who was Splatgirl. Did you also date Brittany or were their names aliases and Brittany was actually Shaun. Now I've confused myself! Put a different way, was Shaun of Splatgirl fame, the girl in the picture I posted of you, Brittany the owner or did you marry Shaun and ALSO date Brittany??? Either way, I'm about your age and jealous. Phil FTW!!!

Also, we need to be able to tag people in the forum such that they could looped in. Rich would have plenty to add to this conversation.

While nobody could replicate the style and productions of Rob Blaine, so just like Elvis there can never be a comeback, but with today's technology it is certainly possible to remaster his original works to present again his legacy at Full HD quality. All it needs is for the present owners of Messy Fun media to give their consent to the restoration work. This is what Mike of WSM has been able to do recently. He has obtained permissions from the estates of Roger Carpenter and David Wilkey to restore their full legacy of 32 feature length Aquantics and Artscene WAM videos that were only released in VHS in the early to mid 90s. Currently I am assisting Mike in his plans to remaster these productions in HD, so Mike will announce these new versions in 2026.

I met Rob twice, for a couple of weeks each time in 1994 and 1996 when he stayed at my ranch in Florida when we were doing mud pit shoots on my property with 8 UK models. Rob assisted me in doing my planned mud shoots, and then we swapped and Rob recruited my models for some mud shoots and I assisted Rob as a stage hand. The mystery is, I helped Rob do 3-4 mud shoots with my models Jo, Keeley and Sammi, but I never saw Rob ever releasing that footage. I guess he never got around to editing it. Rob had many plans that went unfulfilled. He was always telling me about his plans to produce a full Star Trek parody with wam scenes, but he never got around to doing that project.

I concur with the comments about production costs vs sales in the 1990s, and how that can never be achieved in today's world of smart phone cameras, Go Pros and tablets that make it so cheap and easy to produce wam videos today. Now, with AI programs fans can invent their own fantasies courtesy of AI. Back in the 1990s, Rob, Bill, Mike, David and myself could justify spending the money on feature length videos with many girls, cos our sales would be several times more than our production costs were, so we invested a lot to make each video project. These days that would be impossible, because since the advent of Youtube and free streaming platforms 45% of wam fans now get their jollies from free media sites, and another 45% simply create their own wam with their partners or they use AI tools to invent their fantasies, so now today we only have less than 10% of supporting customers we once had in the 1990s.

The 1990s was a great time for WAM Producers to have lots of fun, but times have changed and now we are in an era of Free Media WAM and DIY WAM.

I think the only person Phil hasn't dated or been married to is me!!!!!

I wasn't really into mud or paint until Messyfun and Messygirl came onto the scene. Frat mud wrestling, sorority girls, models with super long hair, etc.

God willing! I'd happily buy if anyone offered to recreate the style.

Rob truly was a product of an era when the line was drawn further back. Various contemporary producers (Splosh, Wamtec and Aquatics) were pursuing similar brands of WAM where ladies start off fully dressed elegantly or formally, always sure they even had full sets of lingerie, before it all comes undone in chaotic messy fashion. They always come off as playful or teasing, with hardly any sex if any even if scenes end with nudity. It's a niche that's sadly fallen by the wayside as clothes are now treated more like barriers to the main feature rather than being part of it, often coming off too early in the rush to nudity, or being left out entirely.

In Messyfun's case, Rob had it in his mind to make clothes trashing as much of a show as the girls losing the clothes. His directing style was methodical with how each clothing piece gets messy and how long they stay on. Having the ladies linger in toplessness for extended stretches of time was also a great call since they're already showing off their full figures regardless. His paint and outdoor mud scenes were especially phenomena for that, but my favorites have to be the paint scenes because Rob's team made it a point to have every corner of the girls' clothes and bodies slathered with a gamut of colors.

Also greatly missed is the classiness of his fashion choices. Alongside more modern late-80s/90s dress styles Messyfun was one of a handful of producers that went out of their way to include party dresses and gowns, which clashed perfectly with outdoor mud scenes due the fish-out-of-water scenario. I can imagine how the wardrobe was a major expense, since they also needed to fit the girls' different body measurements, down to the bra and panty set. Just the process of purchasing fitting clothes that are destined to be only used once had to be arduous.

One scene that stands out for me in that aspect is the Shaun and Tiffany outdoor mud scene from "Cyberspace"; both are dressed in lovely evening dresses of contrasting colors and fitting shoes and underwear, but Shaun reveals that she's also wearing a similarly long white slip under her white dress (something that's hardly ever worn in modern fashion anymore), which is not only visible by its outline under the outer dress, but a great second layer to play with when the outer dress falls off. Having the camera focused on the slip already stained yellow and clinging tight to her body from the straining and leeching mud is serious attention to detail. To cap it off, after stripping naked, they climb back up to the shore to wear their muddy dresses again and jump back in, but Shaun decides to put on her delicate slip instead! Hell of a scene, no doubt well orchestrated by Rob behind the camera if his raw shots are any indication.

Clearly new productions of Messyfun caliber are never coming back due to both the escalating cost and how far WAM tastes shifted into pornography territory in the past quarter century. But I'll be real happy to see a re-release of all the old material in their original VHS quality (and not just AI upscaled) to cover gaps in my collection. But given how many of these scenes were shot on tape, I doubt the master archives have survived this long. If I recall even in the member site days there were struggles to digitize Rob's collection due to degradation of some of his tape collection. The digitization was also of early-2000s standards, so you're talking 640x480 resolutions or worse, scenes chopped up into parts, and very archaic RealMedia, Quicktime and WMV formats. It wasn't ideal, but it was my only window into his full-length productions. Of course Vidown catalogs are still out there but they're hardly complete and left out whole volumes and scenes, like 3 out of 4 paint scenes in the mainline MFV series. They may as well be lost media at this point.