So, was going back through my wam collection and was re-watching some old scenes and saw a few that were in my opinion what I would call conflicted. The premise of the scene seems promising and the models were in my opinion very attractive but something just didn't seem to work. The scenes start out ok but seem to derail at either the mess being introduced or the aspect of taking off ones clothes. Example , model is playing a game trying to win cash we have seen this motif a bunch love it, she gets plenty messy, but when it comes time to lose some clothes it becomes Very clear she wants no part of it. She takes off a shoe just one. Ah.... ok then the other one. Ok suspense is building. When it finally comes time to go full nude so we can see her wonderful body we get a side view of her taking off the last bit of her clothes. No frontal, no rear, the camera cuts to her sitting down legs crossed and Nothing she shows only her breasts but even then they are so covered you can barely tell shes nude. Now lets stop for a second and consider what led up to this? This seem strange to me, did she not agree to going full nude for the scene? Was there some unknown agreement on how it was to be shot? Another scene similar to the one i just described model sits nicely and takes pies easy enough right? Wrong, immediately after the first pie hits she wipes everything away in one swift motion and BOOM shes clean again. You can clearly see she is not having it , her expression says it all its says Panic and get it off me. Now both of the scenes i just described were from producers who due not due it anymore.
So what I am getting at here is Producers have you ever had a model who was so picky that it subtracted heavily from the scene? Was is noticeable? What did you due to make the shoot go on?
Does anyone else either producer or consumer pick up on those things as I due or is it just me?
Not trying to sound picky or too opinionated but stuff like this can be a real detractor from the scene.
I love wam and I love getting messy but sometimes I just don't feel like getting messy, So I wait until the feeling is right.
Go ahead and leave your thoughts and critics below I'm open to some discussion on this.
Mhop

I love it when the model clearly hates it lol.

My ideal scenes are the kind of 'facing up to a forfeit' type humiliation where they hate it. If you've seen the first Human Garbage Disposal, it's clear Tatum absolutely hated the mess, but needed the money lol.

The first scenario suggests either a model being pushed to work beyond her levels, or a producer who wanted to control the costs of hiring the model, due to a limited budget. Neither of which makes for great videos.

The second scenario suggests a model who just didn't enjoy the job. I know a number of models, & because I don't produce my own messy photos and videos to sell (they or their clients pay me for the filming and photographing I've done), they feel they can be honest with me about not enjoying the messy work. They aren't jeopardising future work by being honest with me, but they clearly would be jeopardising future work if they were honest with producers and clients. It's all part of a wider problem with shortages of modelling work, meaning a lot of very good models can't always get enough jobs without accepting messy work. But clearly at the times when they can get enough non-messy work, you won't see them for dust.

And with more and more models realising how much money they can make from subscription sites (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention the sites on here but I'm sure you can guess), it's going to become harder and harder for producers to book good models for messy work, because the models realise if they're having a bad few weeks financially, they can just push their subscription site accounts a bit more to make up the shortfall.

Yeah i understand that scenario have some scenes that have that in them it they are great , the scene I am referencing clearly has the model being terrified at being pied you can visible see it.
Her reaction is genuine she nearly storms off camera.

Hmm I disagree about the subscriptions putting downward pressure on WAM.

The reason is with so many models, the pressure to lower and lower subscription costs to compete will make it less and less attractive to do.

That's a really good point about the lewd comments. I've been told about one guy who dabbles in making WAM videos - only occasionally because most of his work is "clean" work - but whatever videos he films, he is always making lewd comments throughout the filming. I don't think there's any malice in it. He's just built up a bit of what he sees as a comedy persona for himself, but plenty of the models actually thoroughly dislike spending time with him, as a result.

Pretty sure he isn't on here.

Good points made so far , Not putting the blame on just the model here because communication is a two way street. Both parties need to discuss and understand what is too take place ahead of time.

Models don't have to "like" it. They do have to be "comfortable" with it. And I'll even add they have to "understand" it.

Not being comfy with it can kill ANY video. Not understanding it is guaranteed to kill any video.

Robby


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Whenever I read a thread like this, I think: Mostwam. Lots of young women, most doing a large number of shoots, and the answer simply seems to be: make it fun!

Respect, trust, and understanding are absolutely key to successful WAM shoots. Act professionally, remember that a WAM shoot is a workplace, not a nightclub or dating agency, be totally honest and transparent with everyone (especially, make sure models know, understand, and are happy with the fact that this is a form of erotica and customers buy the content for arousal purposes), pay promptly and in full, pay decent rates and be willing to give a little extra if models go above and beyond what was initially planned, and just generally be respectful.

Many of the models I work with actually sought me out, so it wasn't a big deal as far as unsureness goes. There is the occasional bit of "oooh this is a new sensation" but unless it was being acted out as part of a script, there's no "ewww this is awful" that I can think of.

I only get an enjoyment if the model is clearly enjoying herself, there was another model who's name I forgot where she had an expressionless face and always tried to shield her face from the head sploshing as much as possible, and then immediately proceeded to clean her face in between buckets. She didn't seem to enjoy it but also didn't hate it, probably just went through the motions to get paid for the scene.

right on,
i am like yourself in my productions and work with models, give them the respect they deserve, My regular models are more than happy to comeback time and time again, and we have a laugh, much like yours Dungeon master. i have however had models turn up and they are clearly uncomfortable with the shoot, weather its one of my mud shoots or messy shoots, and i generally cut it short, but i would never make a big deal with the model just pay up and off we go.