Clips4Sale decided to comply with Mastercard's demands and stated that Visa will be coming out with similar criteria for processing adult payments.

By Oct, every clip owner must remit their ID and the name must match the banking information. Then, for all clips uploaded after Oct 1st, each performer in the video must have a profile containing their ID and release form. That means store owners can create new profiles if one does not currently exist.

For clips that have already been uploaded, they only stated that store owners must have ID and consent forms "on demand" which means only if asked.

I'm a fan. I have two clip stores. This puts a huge dent in piracy. Not too many pirates want to upload their photo ID that matches their banking info. Beyond that, pirates would not be able to obtain the model's ID or consent forms.

This also puts an end (at least on C4S) to slimly, unethical producers who post videos without the mode's consent. It also really makes producers step up to the plate, since most models are not going to hand over their ID (with their real name and address) to just any asshole. They're really going to need to trust that producer. Again, I'm a fan.

I have no guess as to how many stores will no longer be uploading clips. I can tell you this much; although it's the law in the US to collect ID and get consent forms signed, outside of large production companies like Reality Kings, Vivid, etc...it's seldom done. Why? Models are not thrilled with anyone knowing their personal information.

As I just shot yesterday with 5 models since this news all came out, I asked their criteria to hand over the IDs to producers. Every one of them: "only to very well established and reputable producers."

It does mean that getting started...a producer opening a new store, never having worked with models before has a tough hill to climb.

I've been producing content since before 2257 regulations... and even before that I was aware of the importance of a model release and a copy of ID. I have a hard time believing that most other producers aren't behaving similarly, not just the big time production companies.

I just received the same notice from Clips4sale and also from Manyvids where I have another store. There is some good news in all this, but also some bad news as well...i.e.

> This puts a huge dent in piracy. Not too many pirates want to upload their photo ID that
> matches their banking info.
> Beyond that, pirates would not be able to obtain the model's ID or consent forms.

The good news is, this will prevent piracy on any of the PAYSITE hosting platforms that are subject to Visa/Master rules, but it will do nothing to combat the giant elephant of piracy platforms, the free streaming platforms like Youtube. The pirate can still steal your media and upload it to Youtube (as they do to me dozens of times each week) and the same kind of standards do not apply to Youtube uploaders, Pirates can create content on Youtube and are NOT required to upload a photo ID of themselves and they do NOT have to show proof or keep records to show they own the media they upload. So, these new enforcement rules on paysite uploaders are a big win for the pirates, Youtube and other free hosting sites.

>This also puts an end (at least on C4S) to slimly, unethical producers who post videos
> without the mode's consent. It also really makes producers step up to the plate, since most
> models are not going to hand over their ID (with their real name and address) to just any
> asshole. They're really going to need to trust that producer. Again, I'm a fan.

Like I said. The pirates and unethical content uploaders will merely move to Youtube where their uploaders are allowed to upload media without any photo ID or model release verifiications..

>I have no guess as to how many stores will no longer be uploading clips. I can tell you this
>much; although it's the law in the US to collect ID and get consent forms signed, outside of
>large production companies like Reality Kings, Vivid, etc...it's seldom done.

I don't think that is accurate. I have been a minor producer for 30 years and certainly in the WAM community and UMD and Vidown store systems all the producers who now have stores on UMD and on Vidown are already required by Messmaster and Soundguy to upload their Photo IDs and are already required by law to obtain and maintain drivers licences and model release records in accordance with U.S. Reg 2257. This has been U,S. law since it was enacted on Nov 1st, 1990 and all scenes shot after that date have to comply with that law. Things may have been "fast and loose" in the 1980s, but for the last 31 years it has been pretty clear....

>Why? Models are not thrilled with anyone knowing their personal information.

The models have no choice. It is "the law" and they MUST provide their photo ID and sign the release form....otherwise their scene is not legal and cannot be sold without their permission and in order to do that, they must show their photo ID and sign the release form, otherwise they cannot get compensated for their work.

Any model who does not wish to hand over their photo id and does not want this to be subject to compliance review by the hosting company or the cc processor, needs to find another line of work, because to be a paid model you MUST show these documents and the producer MUST keep those records which then be provided to the hosting company upon request.

There are 2 elaborations to make here

1) Clips4sale and Manyvid are announcing they they will be creating a new enrcypted upload system for these documents, so they will only be held in encrypted format by the hosting company so that should be fairly secure (unless the hosting company gets hacked and then your models info gets leaked and is subject to ransom....like the famous Ashley Madison hosting site case....good luck on that).

2) Bear in mind what Clips4sale do NOT say about your "legacy media", which is that old media is governed by Reg 2257 documentation retention rules, which state that Producers are only required to hold these records for 7 years, and then they can legally be culled. It is just like the statute of limitations on tax returns, i.e. you can't be audited for old returns, and likewise no hosting company or cc processor can require you to show release documents pertaining to scenes shot more than 7 years ago, because the law give producers the right to cull old records.

>As I just shot yesterday with 5 models since this news all came out, I asked their criteria
>to hand over the IDs to producers. Every one of them: "only to very well established and
>reputable producers.

There is another nasty little surprise that Clips4sale never mentioned in their memo, and that is the full details of Mastercard's new rules that go into effect on October 15th, and that is, all Producers MUST now create an appeals process that will allow ANY model who appears in our videos, even if they do sign a legal release form, Mastercard now grants new rights to the model and allows them to file a TAKEDOWN request for any scene they already got paid for, they are now allowed to have regrets and to file a takedown request, and your model release form becomes a worthless document, because even if the model signed your release form the Producer has no rights at all, and the producers rights are nullified and the model can ask for the scene to be taken down and we must comply, even if we own the rights to said scene.

Basically, this means that if you are a SOLO performer who operates their own download store, then everything is hunky dory. But if you hire MULTIPLE performers in your scenes, and even if you comply with all the legal documentation requirements, your scene can be sabotaged by just one girl who has second thoughts. It becomes a HUGE risk for producers like me and Flaviu of Eurowam, because we often hire 20 models to do lavish pool parties that can cost 5K to 10K in production expenses, and now we are playing Russian Roulette and have to hope that one of our 20 girls does not have second thoughts and files a takedown request on us, and then we are out 10K in production expenses.

>It does mean that getting started...a producer opening a new store, never having
> worked with models before has a tough hill to climb.

Yes...it sucks, and I would not mind so much if they applied these same rules to Youtube uploaders as well, but so far Producers rights are being eroded and Youtube gets a free ride.

ps...one more thing. They have changed the standard now for what constitutes a "valid photo ID" now, because for my old clips we just photocopied the drivers license and held the model release, but recently I when I joined Manyvids and tried to join Onlyfans they would not accept any of my old photo ID documents as valid any more. They declared my photo ids for my models to be no longer valid documents because they only showed the girls drivers license, but in the last 3-4 years they have changed the standard for a photo Id for a model and now they require that all Photo IDs must be a photo showing the head and shoulders of the girl, holding her her drivers license right next to her face, to prove that it is the same girl. Good luck on that, because many of my models change their hair color and hairstyle 2-3 times per year and do not look like their drivers licence photo.

The fallout is already happening. Weeks ago a model I work with shot with a new "trying to build my portfolio" producer. She said during the shoot she just got a kind weird vibe about him. He stunk (lol) and kept calling her "beautiful" over and over again. He didn't ask for ID. She wouldn't have given it to him had he asked but did feel comfortable enough to do that shoot.

Well, he just reached out to her again, asked to shoot again and that this time he would need her ID. She declined. Again, not comfortable enough to let this guy know her real name and address.

C4S addressed legacy clips. Store owners only need to have the documents if requested. Which means all legal clips will be able to stay on the platform.

I really don't care about piracy. I know that sounds like an odd statement coming from a producer, but the only think I really care about is others uploading my clips to be sold - meaning they profit. Pirate can upload clips to offshore tube sites but they don't make a cent.

I get it that piracy is an issue. I do just fine financially without really worrying about it. What I don't have to worry about is my clips showing up on clips4sale, manyvids, OnlyFans where pirates are trying to put money in their pockets off my work.

Again, I'm a fan. I feel this should have been done from day one. I'm not sure how deep any of you are in the fetish modeling community but I work now with 15 models and I can tell you right now, the huge issue with "shitty, slimy" producers just got solved. They are gonna get told to fuck off when asking for ID.

So to your point were the models "have" to give their ID. They certainly don't. They'll tell the guy to go pound sand and not shoot.