For those of us who like to see women messy all over, we often see the same scenario played out again and again.

For example, if it's pies, they always start at the face, maybe a pie sandwich or over the head. We get the T and A pie hits and that's about it. Pie goo will eventually cover just about all of the model's body, but the areas first hit are usually always the same.

If it's gunge or slime, it's usually poured over the head where a lot of it may splash away from the body, leaving it surprisingly clean.

A bucket of slop or gunge is often aimed at the face/head.

Swimsuit filling is also predictable.

All of these are fun to watch, yet we already know pretty much how it's going to go.

As we all know where sexual titillation is concerned, variety is important. Yet I think most producers stick to the 'tried and true' because a lot of buyers are wanting the tried and true as well.

But the point of my post is this. Why not change things up once in a while?

For example, with a head to toe pie mess, why start with the face? It would be more of a shock and surprise to start somewhere unexpected. The model could look (or actually be) surprised if the pie was planted where it wasn't expected.

Instead of pouring that bucket of slime over the head, what about pouring it down the back of her top? I think the surprise factor would be sexy, and naturally the messing of the face would eventually happen - but not right away.

I've often imagined a pie-throw booth where the woman puts her face into a small hole in a large wall with a photo on it, and expects a pie in the face. But what if she were secretly attacked from behind with a bunch of people with pies? She's shocked, maybe outraged, certainly surprised, and then she gets the pie in the face everyone is waiting for.

My sample pic is from a video where the woman has her top raised and is pied on the stomach. Her face and the top of her shirt were already pie-messed, so why the hell not do this too? It added a level of surprise and humiliation that usually gets overlooked.

I think these scenarios would spice things up, as nobody would know what was going to happen, yet they could rest assured that facial coverage would be happening - eventually.

Any thoughts on this?

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We almost never start with head coverage, and often have variety in pie scenes too.

We include head coverage because it's popular and lots of people expect it, but we usually save it for the end of a scene, so you can see our people's full reactions and expressions as their bodies are reduced to sloppy messes first.

I'm with you a little on this. Yes producers need to cater to lots of different interests and it's hard to please everyone so they go with the majority.

Yes I would love to see a scene start with maybe them stepping in mess and seeing their feet go first or sitting on something then working from that. I would even love to see more scenes where the face is the very and I mean very last thing messed so we can see their reactions throughout the whole scene but again producers need to cater to the masses to at least break even on their shots.

Some are hard like sliming because we are so use to seeing it over the head and flowing down the body but yes sometimes it's too liquidity and splashes more than covers but that could also be a time thing. I know it takes a long time to setup a scene and then to actually do it takes even more than the 5, 10, 20 mins or so the scene turns out to be and some if not most models get paid by hour and not by shots or even both so that's a factor too.

To me I'm just glad there is still stuff being produced and just pick and choose where to spend my time with the scenes.

Being someone who does live re-enactments and video records them just like the producers it's a single shot hope I get it take so yes sometimes it's let's go with what we know and can capture in the time while we do this and sometimes in tight areas.

I don't know if it's just me, but when I see a model dressed like this, about to do a wam video, my thoughts are to plant a pie on the naked hip area. To me, naked skin just invites mess. Usually the most common naked skin we see is the face, but why not go for these other perfect targets that are a little less expected? In this case, I would follow the side hit with a 'shoulder-sandwich' and finally the pie to the face. Ideally, the shoulder-sandwich would cover her upper chest, neck and the sides of her face. But it seems nobody is doing this. I suppose I'll have to get a custom made.

I have a bit of a mixed feeling on this. Certainly the tried and true works. Otherwise, we wouldn't continue to purchase or view the "same old, same old" so to speak. However, as the old saying goes, "variety is the spice of life". That said, while I'm certainly no producer and any inevitable photos will remain strictly private for the sake all participants, my wife and I are planning to have a costumed pie fight shoot with a dear friend in the coming months. While my wife is no stranger to taking a pie, hers usually start with sitting on the first one and she definitely understands the sexual gratification of doing so. Our friend has had a few messy moments in her cosplay photos, usually covered in fake blood or, for black and white photos, chocolate sauce (think "Psycho" the movie). Our friend, to our knowledge, has never been pied but wants to be. Sure, there's the temptation to follow the old "tried and true" method, but, the wife actually suggested something like what you're saying. Knowing that our friend is bisexual and polyamorous but we are both straight, the suggestion made was "what if the pie starts on her tummy or something not so sexual in nature?". It got me thinking, much like you point out, "what if?". It would be a great ice breaker moment for them, dressed as Harley Quinn and Batgirl, to have Batgirl start with a "non-threatening" area, such as the stomach, below the breasts. Neither girl wants face coverage anyway, but is open to hair mess and that would be a great way to start off the show.

With the models knowing what's eventually going to happen to them I'd like to see them surprised and gunged/pied/soaked in the clothes they turn up wearing OR concocting a story that the shoot can't go ahead due to "technical problems" which don't really exist and the models getting caught totally unaware. That way there might be a more genuine look of surprise on their faces!

I have suggested in the past, a girl wearing a pencil skirt lying on her back with her legs in the air. An accomplice (rival?) pours some semi-liquid substance. (e.g. custard or gunge) and fills the skirt. The tightness (or not) of the belt, will control the amount that squeegees through to her upper garments. She is beautifull coiffeured and made up. So let's see if she can maintain that composure when standing untill the rival tips a quantity of shelled eggs into her blouse.

Like I say, it's just a thought.

Ive always been a fan of the first hit being a girl having her face shoved down into a pie on a table like MGs CIAR scenes. Fantastic!

Ideally for me it's a well dressed woman accidentally sitting on a chocolate pie. Love to see the surprise icky look on her face as her butt sinks into the pie.

I agree this is a real thrill! It's reminiscent of the TV gunge and pie forfeits of yore ("I bet she would never have worn that outfit if she'd realised she was going in the gunge tank!" etc.) Yet this aspect is almost entirely overlooked in the proliferation of WAM games produced these days and renders any real sense of jeopardy moot.

But, in fairness, it's tricky to genuinely pull off that kind of conspiratorial horseplay in a professional fetish film scenario - without risking a breach of your contract with the model vis a vis boundaries. And there can be serious consequences. Or involving members of the public in a fetish film brings up more moral quandaries now than it once might have.

I did actually manage to do this at the end of a documentary I made about my WAM obsession which featured my then partner being interviewed about the films we'd made together. She was a tremendous sport as I'd hoped. But this only goes to show you really do need to be in a VERY trusting interpersonal situation to cross that line for real.

So, it's safer to fake it. But how many times can you do this with recurring models? I've discussed the possibility synthesising this with another producer and we concluded that it could only be an expensive one off - then it becomes passé.

A technique that could work with a new model might be to have a contract for modelling photography and videography. Be very clear to include a disclaimer that water and/or mess 'may' be involved at any time. You could also include any wording about requesting nudity or partial nudity if it is the style of the producer to do so. The model reads and signs the release and then you shoot 'dry' video and photo material. (which could become the opening of the eventual messy video)

There is nothing visible in the studio to indicate anything messy might occur, but this is all hidden behind a screen. Suddenly, you surprise them with mess and capture the authentic reactions.

There would be an obvious advantage to hiring new models, as former ones would expect the eventual mess and perhaps not appear so surprised.

I like this scenario so much, if I had the money I'd set up the studio, hire the girls and make some content!

SlapstickStuff did pies to a girls armpits in an early volume. Kinda an underrated place to pie a girl in my opinion! It looks pretty silly.

I feel like my preference is pretty rare. I love seeing a woman's belly or stomach messy. I feel like it's a very rare occasion when a producer has a model laying down or leaning back and just dumping slime or other substance on their soft stomach. I know about requesting customs but those are wayy to expensive.

I did this regularly in my early work (along with pretty much no other producer) There was one customer who would always buy the video if there was armpit action; unfortunately my partner at the time hated getting pies (or later, a paint brush) under the arm and would only give the poor guy a shout out if she could also call him a weirdo!