A very generic question that I'm sure has been asked in many ways before.

I've been a messy based fan (and producer) for a few years now but my partner (Lily Ace) and I were thinking about shooting some wetlook scenes too - or at least 'slick' ones.

I was thinking of using oil (cooking/olive oil) or thin/transparent gunge as well as water. For you purists, when does a substance go over into messy to the point that you would lose interest or call it out?

Thanks

Richard

I say "wetlook" ends when it's not water, as it's now not "clean". But that said, among my favorite messy scenes are ones with clear gunge, j-lube, and oil. This is probably why I love wetlook so much too.

But then wet doesn't necessarily mean clean, but I think it implies you can see everything.

I think in practice wetlook ends when the fluid is noticeably coloured in any way. Oil works as poured onto someone's clothes it just makes them super shiny and super wet. Likewise transparent gunge as long as non-lumpy.

That's what I thought. Thanks for you replies, guys.

as a big lover of wet look, yes agree with the above, when water isn't used, its becomes messy, , so oil would the the transition, being that its still a fluid , and give a wet look , but its messy to do and clean up and is sticky and slightly goey( depending on oil) so yeah the transition would be oil, still giving a wetlookglisten but more messy out come

p.s i don't mind oil , have tried my self, its fun, and easier to clean up than a total gunge or food messing, i suppose nice silky wet clay or sloppy mud that gives a wet look shine could be a transition to

When the clean up phase takes more than hanging the clothes to dry.

Hello Richard and Lily,
Would to see Lily enjoying some cooking or olive oils. Any oil is a favourite of mine. It looks amazing on clothing and hair.
I class oil as a messy substance even though its a liquid. Wet look is water. May sound a bit odd I know !
Have fun with oil if you choose it for Lily.

You know what, I think that is perfect.

I done a lot of mudding and a lot of wetlook. Wetlook cleanup is just so easy by comparison.

As a producer and mostly wetlook fan myself.....I would agree that oil and the lotion videos of Japan are certainly crossover substances that have the same pleasing effects as water.

Also, don't forget....the question can also be posed in reverse.....i.e. when does a messy substance cease to be a messy scene and more like a wetlook scene.....

.....the answer lies in poorly staged mud scenes....i.e. many mud scenes on tv shows and films use a very watery consistency of mud that is so thin....it is more like a dirty puddle than a proper mud scene. Bottom line....when mud sticks to the skin, it's a messy scene....but when a mud scene does not stick to the skin, it is more like a wetlook scene.

OIL makes the best wetlook.. !!!

I think in fact this question has two different, but equally correct, answers, depending on the questioner's point of view:

Answer 1: Wetlook ends with anything that means the clothes worn have to be fully washed afterwards. This is the difference as seen by someone actually getting wet or messy.

Answer 2: Wetlook includes oil and transparent gunge. This is the answer as seen by someone looking at photos or video but not actively taking part in the wetting / messing.

Answer 3: Everyone draws the line in a different place, so whatever you tag it as, someone will complain!

Seriously though, I think you nailed it there...