What do you think the UMD, and Wam in general will be like in ten years?
Which producers will still be producing?
Which models will still be modelling?
Will CGI, VR and AI be playing much of a role?
What will the new trends be as the veterans of the Nickelodeon, YCDTOTV and TISWAS eras... fade away...?
Will the scene become more mainstream, divide into ever smaller niches, less taboo?

I think the future is bright. in ten years things have moved on so much. technology will bring new options and as long as there are people out there willing to produce stuff then I think the future is bright. producers and models come and go but there are plenty of die hard wammers out there do an excellent job at trying to bring new interactive things to the table.

It, and we, will be radioactive ash.

Two words. Space pies.

The future hold that global warming will continue to be a problem thanks to Republican assholes that have their head up their asses because they believe what whatever the GOP party tells them. Global warming is a VERY real problem and Trump took us out of the Paris Accord. What a douchebag. People that think he was right don't know that he is just supporting Big Fossil Fuel (Washington's most powerful lobby).

On a WAM note, there will probably be more wet than messy videos.

I imagine photos and videos will be even more hi-definition. For awhile, it seemed that 3D television was here to stay, yet it was only a passing fad. Perhaps it will come back with better quality and easier use. (no glasses, for example) 3D wam videos would be awesome.

Who really knows? All I know is the videos and images of 10 years ago were grainy and blurry. Tech keeps improving, so I think it's safe to assume quality of wam material will as well. (as long as producers are smart about lighting, etc.)

in 10 years I hope WAM will be even more popular. I think we are due a WAM renaissance on tv as the 90's were filled with shows where people got messy. It is slowly creeping back in with Saturday Mash Up and i think in 10 years we will go back to the days where there is always a show with WAM on air. I hope it becomes less health and safety based, no goggles, no ponchos, shower caps or the like. The last few years have been short on WAM in tv on the western front but everything comes back round.

As the YouTube and Netflix generations replace those of us who grew up hoarding huge collections of VHS tapes, streaming will become even more the default way of watching fetish material. Piracy may decline too as people stop thinking about "my collection" and think more about "my access" - although that is just a "may" and the opposite could also happen.

Not sure how far the resolution thing is going to go. My local multiplex projects films in 4k. Does anyone really need that resolution on their phone to watch fetish material? At the least I expect 4k will be the stop-point for a long time. Next resolution after that is 8k, and I suspect we'll need to wait for the first petabyte hard drives before that becomes standard. Blu-ray was meant to replace DVD yet DVD continues to sell well, primarily because unless you can afford high end kit most people can't tell the difference.

And finally, in the future, all WAM models will wear boilersuits.

I'm sad to say that THIS is probably the most realistic answer, unless Seth Rogan and James Franco make a "The Interview: You're Fired" sequel.

All new content for the last 5 months on MostWam.tv is available in 4K for those with the hardware and internet speeds to enjoy it, the filesize limits of the UMD prevent us doing the same for downloads.
Also, our lighting does the job very well thanks, haha.
We are, as always, thinking long term and what our next project and the project after that will be.

So hopefully, we'll still be around in ten years.

You can never know for sure though, end of the world etc?

The Paris accord was a terrible idea by the way.

Oh, I don't know. Saving the planet sounds like a good idea to me. lol

In 10 years, we will be on Season 18 of The Walking Dead and this will cover about 4 months. But Carl and Judith will be 10 years older.

On a WAM note, Hollywood seems to making everything old new again. I genuinely believe pie fights will make a comeback.

Nothing is all black and white my friend. the intentions may be good, but at the end of the day, It wouldn't accomplish anything.

If you want you can DM me, I'm am more than willing to educate you on this particular subject.

Dude, if we had holodecks all civilization would come to a screeching halt. Everyone would just be in their holodeck holofapping for all eternity until they starved to death.

There are certainly worse ways to go!

Also, with regards to hollywood remaking everything...they are remaking everything WORSE. Michael Bay will probably remake "The Great Race" and all the pies will be explosive.

I really want some VR WAM. I know a few people had been working on it. Don't know what ever happened to it through.

Best. UMD Comment. EVER!!!

It would suit the political/business elite who control us. If the world is on a holodeck, with its trousers round its ankles, they cant take to the streets and man the barricades in protest!

Yeah, except they'd be keeping us in there while they do all the horrible shit. At this point in MY life anyways...I'd probably take that blue pill.

Crowdfunding of wam will have to be its future at some point.
Currently crowdfunding is not allowed on the umd, so eventually some new site may come to replace it.

For example, I make wam videos exclusively in the "gig" economy, as well as through corsepondents through social media. I have so many women interested in trying wam, but not enough $ for supplies. These are women who aren't even interested in making a profit, they just need the $20-30 for the needed supplies.

If I could get 4 people to each throw in $5 a week, I could have a new weekly video each and every week. That's not to say that these videos would be up to the quality of say Leon or Ariel, Rich, etc. but they would represent a new type of amatuer market.

I think 10 years from now this will become the new norm. That people will create their own "UMDs" with their own private networks and possibly even blockchain content to stop illegal file sharing. I think it will span across all fetishes, not just wam.

It's like one of models told me "I wish all you UMD guys could just somehow coordinate all your requests to a weekly video, instead of having all of you constantly try to hire me for your own unique project. "

I think if the UMD is to survive the next 10 years, it will need to open up the crowdsourced business model. I know a lot of users on and off the UMD who would love to start contributing $10 towards a custom style video, along side others

Anyone who isn't interested in making $ isn't going to stick round long when they find out just how much work and expense is needed to create even simple wam scenes. It's fun the first time but unless they're actually into it (which does happen but is rare) they'll soon realise there are much easier ways to make a few bucks in the fetish marketplace.

You'd also need to solve the scam issue. The reason crowdfunding is banned here is because the potential for ripping people off is even worse than it is with single-payer customs. A few years back there were a series of cute models who popped up, offered a few scenes for sale, then took a few hundred $$$ off multiple guys for customs, and then vanished. Or in one case then claimed something like their house burned down and/or they had cancer (it got hard to keep track of the details as a bystander), and took a load more money from people as "loans" before vanishing.

Now imagine someone's got 50 guys paying a tenner a week for an unspecified custom scene. First, you've the detail differences of what the model should wear, guy 1 wants jeans, guy 2 wants a mini-skirt, guy 3 wants a bikini, guy 4 wants overalls, guy 5 wants wellies. Then there's a problem with supplies which makes the schedule slip a week. Then the model's evil ex turns up and threatens her / beats up her sister / breaks in and robs her house. Then something medical happens. And then the model vanishes.

And all of a sudden there's $1500 to $2000 gone and no video. OK, each individual contributor may only have lost $30 to $40, but when the full scale of the scam is revealed...

Solve that and crowdfunding could potentially be a great way to finance some wam productions (make it "nude model having pies thrown at her" and most of the "detail" issues go away, though doubtless someone will claim wrong kind of filling or complain the there were / were not pie tins involved), but people need to know they aren't going to get ripped off first.

I'd argue that crowdfunding is already happening. There are various sites where you pay a monthly membership fee (e.g. Saturation Hall and MostWam), so you effectively have all the subscribers chipping in to fund the new videos. There's also MadLoversCosplay on Patreon. The only difference is that you have a producer involved rather than going straight to the models.

As for scams and getting the right details, I assume that those issues apply to customs too; do producers go through some kind of vetting system at the moment?

Joining an established site gives you a known quality of material and style of production though, which a more generalised crowdfunding approach (give us $10 each and we'll produce a video) doesn't. Plus established producers will have a "release queue" of material already shot and waiting to be released, rather than being dependent on last month's income being sufficient to shoot this month's releases. In my case I've taken that to extremes and have over four years worth of material already shot for Saturation Hall - a scene might be a few days late being released if I'm too busy to get the editing done on time but no-one needs to worry that the material won't appear (and if I ever had a really serious delay I'd just extend everyone's membership end dates so they didn't lose out). Most producers running traditional subscription sites will at least have a few months to a year already "in the can".

Having said that MostWam stopped doing traditional memberships a while ago, the only remaining subscription download sites I know of are my own plus MessyWorld, unless any of the pie-in-the-face producers are still running some. The "subscribe" options being advertised now are mostly streaming sites where you get access to an entire back catalogue and are paying for on-going access rather than new material (any that appears is a bonus), and pay-per-scene download stores have mostly replaced membership download sites. I keep the membership site going as we have loyal customers who keep renewing (thanks you all!) and it's fun to do - but at least 2/3 of our income is from the download store (and linked subscription streaming) these days.


Yes, you have to have an active UMD download store with a specifie amount of content available before you're allowed to tout for customs here. This was brought in (along with the ban on crowdfunding scenes) to put an end to the scams and rip-offs that were happening previously.

Well we can close this thread now... We know what the future holds now... RIP Internet 1983-2017.

I know you didn't mean to, but saying MostWam stopped doing traditional memberships a while ago

And The "subscribe" options being advertised now are mostly streaming sites where you get access to an entire back catalogue and are paying for on-going access rather than new material (any that appears is a bonus)

In the same paragraph made it sound like we fall into the general streaming sites category.

We actually update DAILY with BRAND NEW content, sure some (Office and Charlotte's) has been released as downloads a month or so earlier, but still new for subscribers.

As I said, I know you didn't mean to, just clarifying.

Oops - sorry! I actually thought I'd edited that to add "download" after traditional after I posted it (so it said "traditional download membership sites") to make clear I was differentiating between "join and download content to keep" and "subscribe and get Netflix-style access to all content but only as long as you remain a member" type sites - but looks like the edit didn't take and it's too late to edit it now. Of course now I can think of several other remaining traditional download membership sites, WSM, Erik Elsas (the absolute grand master of casual wetlook, how could I forget!), the site that "Tarzan" advertises over on Nigel's forum, and several more. Perhaps the wetlook market is more traditional in general than the messy one?

If the next 10 years are projected based on what the wam scene was like 10 years ago and 20 years ago......i.e.

1997: 10 wam producers - zero free media, 30,000 wam fans
2007: 40 wam producers - the dawn of age of youtube/free media, still only 30,000 wam fans
2017: 400 wam producers - still only 30,000 wam fans and 90% get their jollies from free media
2027: Still only 30,000 wam fans and 99% of them can live off free media.....so there is no future for the commercial wam producer and the wam scene will be the exclusive realm of the hobbyist wam fans with their tech devices.

Robbie WLP beat me to it....I was going to say "The Holodeck" as well....though it is depressing to think that 300 years in the future on Star Trek TNG they have managed to invent a holodeck.....but they still have not found a cure for male pattern baldness.

Personally, I would settle for a device Dr Who's TARDIS, so I can travel back in time to an era before Youtube existed.

MK

Haha, that's a great answer Mark.
Get a Tardis, screw the future. I'd love an eternal youth pill as well.

Or a reset button, to reset back to an earlier time in your life with all the knowledge you've learned.

If you've ever watched the film About Time (hmm, seems the forum doesn't like quotation marks) though, that'd be tricky for me as I have a child.

No one really knows what the future holds, we just have to try to remain relevant.

Leon.....instead of a Holodeck or a Tardis.....I would prefer for somebody to invent a DVR machine that has electrodes you can hook up to your brain, to record your dreams at night.....cos the dreams I have are far more interesting that any wam video I have ever made. I would pay 5 grand to buy a machine like that.....heck...that is what I paid when the first commercial VCR came on the market in the UK in 1972.

The future lies with those who invent new technologies or media delivery systems or own networks.....not with making content because almost all content will be free in the future, so making content will not be viable or sustainable.

Youtube can sustain it's free media concept because they attract over 100 million dollars per month in ad revenues. None of us in the wam world can attract mainstream advertisers, because wam fans are less than 35,000 worldwide, which is 0.0005% of the world population.....whereas he gay community has great clout these days, because they are 3%-9% of most country demographics. Until wam can become more mainstream and be at least 1% of the population we will have no power or influence to attract advertisers.

Maybe one day a mainstream celebrity that has a huge following on social media (somebody like Lady Gaga) will express an interest in the wam culture, and then the wam culture can be more widely accepted as a trending topic. Right now, it is still treated by most tv shows as something they do not wish to fully embrace,,,,,,i.e. you see many wet and messy games on tv shows from many countries these days that are "dumbed down"....i.e. some tv executive realizes that wam can be "sexy"....and do they so their best to make wam "unsexy" by having the contestants wear goggles, helmets, gender neutral jumpsuits. TV producers are well aware of the wet and messy culture, so they do their best to make it unsexy....or avoid showing the money shots etc. A classic example being the Eat Bulaga gunge tank scenes in that Filipino gameshow....i.e. in the first couple of seasons they were filming all the money shots as the girls were gunged and emerging from the gunge tank....but then somebody alerted them to the wam culture and this forum, and they deliberately changed their camera angles and as soon as the girl was gunged, the cameraman cut to a longshot and they pulled away and avoided the money shots.....we were "busted".

One thing is for sure, the tv shows TISWAS and Noel;s House Party enjoyed a great cult following because of the closet wam fans like me and because they were the only game in town in those days.....but if those 2 shows were created today, they would not be such a success because folks would just yawn and say that there are hundreds of similar shows from around the world, so everything becomes passe'.

I have dreams like this all the damn time. It's like I'm back in Middle school but I have all my current knowledge. So strange...

I dunno, I wouldn't want to relive the 90s though. You couldn't even buy a vowel on Wheel of Fortune because the grunge movement stole them all for their music. The 80s were even worse...