I know youre getting antsy when the pie fight will be on i studied the pic if you see her in a blue dress with diamond shaped things by her neck thats it

As a veteran UMD'er, I am looking forward to seeing some of the posters erupt in blind rage when the scene fails to live up to their lofty expectations (see Olivia Munn and Kelly Ripa.).

Well in this case we have actually seen the aftermatch and it looked fine to me....Munn we had no idea it would be a cop out

Um, my recollection is that SV was wearing a RED dress with shiny trim (maybe sequins)....?

I remember that lol. Wasn't the Olivia Munn thread like 5 or 6 pages long. People seriously lost their minds.

It was beautiful to watch

First and only time a television show (well, a show on G4 anyway) actively trolled the WAM community in the wake of the non-event, too. Amazing shit.

They also stole one of my YouTube videos to use in their montage of how stupid WAM was. For the first time I felt seen!

Didn't Olivia Munn jump into a pie in a maid outfit once?

Yes, but a horrible boring skimpy one. She'd actually posted a publicity shot in a much nicer, longer maid's dress a week or so before, but for whatever reason didn't wear it on the night. There was a totally insane thread here at the time about it, I think a lot of people were disappointed she didn't go in head first or something. As I remember it was a pretty decent scene for a mainstream one, except for the bad outfit.

Yes, both references to Olivia Munn and the insane thread are talking about the exact same thing.

They hyped it all week, they advertised the maid outfit and the giant pie, and some people assumed that she'd go into the pie like the Pie Slide from WWYD.... or maybe Donny Osmond style, thrown in face first. Not an unreasonable assumption, considering.

The end result was her jumping in feet first.... and immediately complaining about hurting her ankle. Meanwhile, her male co-host ALSO wore a maid outfit (?!?) and ALSO went into the pie.... and HE got fully submerged and totally covered. Olivia, not so much. And bitched about it incessantly too.

The attitude, plus the crap outcome, PLUS the unexpected male WAM thrown in unprovoked, is mostly what made people lose their shit. Anyway. There's a reason why Olivia got a "difficult" reputation and had her Hollywood career stall out, and you can spot traces of that in this non-starter scene.

Sorry: What show are we talking about?

America's Got Talent. There was a pie fight involving Sofia and Heidi Klum, and people are going nuts trying to find out when it airs.

I liked the outfit she wore

These sorts of things never live up to what I want to see.

Mainstream TV WAM pretty much never does. I don't understand why people get so invested in it, as far as I'm concerned the main purpose of mainstream WAM is to wake new people to the fetish, after which they'll find this place and the actual scene producers, and after that they'll have no reason to go back to mainstream scenes. I grew up in what was pretty much a golden age of British TV WAM, TISWAS, On Safari, Get Your Own Back, Noel's House Party. At the time as I went from 11 to 18-ish, they were all epic. But looking back now, they were a pale shadow of what an actual WAM producer can achieve, plus of course they were made as kids shows or general family entertainment, so all entirely shot for the mainstream comedy value. Watching them as a kid who thought he was the only person on the planet who got turned on seeing women get messed up, in the age before the Internet, was one thing. The world is a very, very different place now, pretty much anyone who's into seeing people get wet or messy will have found a ton of YouTube or Tiktok content long before they become old enough to access places like this site.

In the world of railway enthusiasts there's a term for when people get wildly carried away and start ranting about things that don't really matter, the most common one being that someone's painted a preserved heritage locomotive in a "non-authentic" livery, it's known as "froth" or "frothing". I suspect we need a similar term for getting over-excited about mainstream scenes we all know will ultimately disappoint from a WAM perspective.

You know how there are scenes in movies that you see in the trailers that don't make it to the screen?

Counterpoint: A good mainstream TV or movie scene offers a level of professional production that can't remotely be matched by any WAM producer I've seen, past or present. Plus, there's a level of anticipation (see: this exact thread) that comes with not knowing exactly WHEN or HOW or IF the girl is going to get messy.... as opposed to producer scenes, where everyone spells out or screen-grabs every last detail in advance, for fear of losing customers.

[I'd love to tell you that the few times I've intentionally released NO messy previews of a scene, that particular clip has sold truckloads. Nope. If anything, they undersell. When folks are paying, they want to know exactly what they're getting.]

Mainstream clips can also offer the sight of a "celebrity" getting messy... and while I tend to think this particular appeal has waned over the years, there's a whole thread of people raving about a Heidi Klum scene where she gets blasted with slime.... while wearing big ugly science lab goggles. But said googles aren't a deal breaker, because Heidi. So... Maybe the celebrity effect still exists?
[Counterpoint to THAT: Users in a different thread rejecting a theoretical Margot Robbie slime scene if the slime was the wrong color. ]

ANYWAY. If you're Scroggle and you pay thousands to commission "human garbage disposal" scenes, I can't imagine ANY mainstream scene is gonna work for you, because your tastes are far more extreme than anything a major corporation will release. But if you're one of the folks on that "Cruella WAM" thread trying to raise $10K for a custom to replicate the Glenn Close scene from a 1991 movie.... Then yeah, mainstream WAM probably appeals to you more than the average producer scene.

Final thoughts: I invariably make the scenes *I* want to see, which tend to follow a mainstream template on a shoestring budget. And since I began shooting, other producer scenes haven't appealed to me near as much. But FBOW, some mainstream clips still hit the sweet spot. Gun to my head, this might be my favorite clip of the last decade.... and it's not even big-budget. But it works for me in a way that shot-in-a-room-on-a-phone scenes simply can't.

https://youtu.be/jHeD9Bs-vyg

Yeah, the scene above is stunning!

What's a shame is the the pie fight scene seemed to have been a fad or at least run its course. Too many pie scenes to possibly name in the 70's, maybe going away in the early 80's but after that, it was basically done.

Yeah there's a lot of build up for the AGT scene but at least from the previews, they're not wearing goggles, which is a total deal killer for me.

I'd forgotten about that clip and it really is amazing!

I have several favourite mainstream clips, mostly for the reasons outlined above. And that's not to mention Esto Es Guerra and Chega Mais, which contain some of my favourite clips bar none!

That said, mainstream clips are rarely as messy as producer clips and so it depends on my mood!

Granted re production values, but to me if the scene doesn't include the things I want to see, it doesn't matter how high quality the production is, there's no point watching it. Imagine someone who likes outdoor live classical music but not pop. You could offer them a free VIP ticket to Glastonbury and it'd be pointless because they'd hate everthing they heard, regardless of the production quality.


Agreed. I'm always worrying that if I under-describe something, a) someone will buy it and then be disappointed, and b) the people who would love it won't realise it's there. Picking preview shots is a constant battle between not giving away all the money shots while making sure people realise that the scene contains their particular kink trigger.


Both those threads are interesting, I've learned a lot about how important lumpy green slime is to people who grew up watching US TV, we don't have anything like that this side of the pond.

I liked that Heidi Klum scene, and the goggles don't bother me at all, because I really don't care if someone's face gets messy. What makes that scene work for me is the gorgeous dress she's wearing, and the high seat which means she sits with her legs sloping significantly down, so 1) the mess can cover the lap of her dress and 2) we can see it properly. It doesn't work for me as a WAM scene, because there's not really that much mess and her back and bum stay completely clean, but as a concept from which someone could create a WAM scene it has tons of potential - the penalty for the first error could have been having to stand up, a cake is placed on the chair, and she then has to sit in it for the rest of the sketch while being blasted by the gunge cannons - and stuff poured from above at the end could deal with her back, or having to get off the chair and stand in front of it, so we can see the results of the cake sit, and then get a final cannon-blast from behind.

I don't think I've ever been into celebrity culture though. I think Daniel Craig is a fantastic Bond, possibly the best ever, but when I watch the films I'm seeing James Bond the character, not the actor playing him. Likewise, last week the local cinema showed T2 - first time I'd seen it in a cinema. I was watching Sara Connor, not Linda Hamilton. Sarah Connor in black combats in T2 is pretty much my ultimate vision of female beauty, so that was a real treat.


It will be interesting to see if that Cruella fundraiser results in a scene being produced. TBH I was impressed by the two Cruella-based scene somone advertised here last week, cute model, gorgeous outfit, and very nice mess. Were it availble as a download I'd buy it, but I gather the only way to get it is to subscribe to a Patreon and it's not clear if that gives you download rights or just streaming, so I've skipped it, but a great attempt.


Now that's interesting. To me, that scene barely counts as WAM. They get some pies to their faces, but it's a very thick, non-sloppy filling, their clothes don't get more than few minor splodges, they don't end up soaking wet or drenched in mess. I can see it has studio-TV-show production values, great lighting, professional level camera work and editing, a cool set, and all the rest. But from my POV there's basically no mess.

I guess this is another example of how different we all are. I can see the comedy element in pies in the face, and I can see it as WAM as long as it results in the recpipents' outfits gradually getting drenched in the drippages so they end up properly covered, ideally with a few pies to bums, chest, crotch, as well as lots to the face. But if someone is only getting a messy face, to me it's a total loss.

Here's what I'd regard as the best mainstream WAM scene of recent years, Sinitta in orange dungarees getting into a huge vat of gunge, ending up neck deep, searching for stars, then coming out again and being interviewed, standing in her gunge-drenched dungarees, filmed full height so we can see her properly, on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here a few years back. It's far from perfect, the plastic balls on the surface of the gunge spoil the view as she climbs down into it, her dungarees are a bit too baggy, and worn without a belt (which would pull in the waist and show her figure better), and it would be nicer if she was wearing the pale blue of the other team instead of orange. But as a mainstream TV gunging it's probably about as good as it gets from my POV, and I'm perfectly happy that her head and face stay clean, all the better to see her rections. But I'm guessing this will be as much a total loss to you as the pie scene you showed is to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZqo62tmjeg

I think your clip is basically a metaphor for the differences in WAM between the US and the UK.

One of your favorite mainstream scenes..... and us Yanks get a "the uploader has not made this video available in your country" error.

Bugger! Sorry about that. Basically it's 1m53s, and shows slim black female singer Sinitta, dressed in explorer boots, faded orange dungarees and a t-shirt, who uses a pool ladder to get into a huge ciurcular above-ground swimming pool, say 5' deep and abouit 10' across, full of red gunge with coloured plastic balls on top, in order to seach for the plastic stars that the teams need to collect to get food for the day. She gets right into the goo up to her neck while searching for the stars, then she climbs back out via the ladders and we get perfect views of her now totally-gunge-drenched dungarees as she does so. There's also no idiotic cutting away to headshots of the presenters, the camera stays with her throughout so we don't miss anything. Once she's climbed back out of the gunge pool, all shot full view, she walks past all the other celebrities sitting in a little spectator stand (all also in dungarees, her team orange, the other team pale blue) and gets interviewed, standing up, by the two male presenters of the show, this is mostly shot full height and unobstructed so we can see all of her in her slime-soaked clothes.

Unless an actual WAM producer was involved in the making of a show, it would be hard to imagine a more perfect mainstream scene, the clothes, the actual task she has to perform in the mess, and the way the whole thing is shot, is absolutely superb from a "watch someone get really messy, be able to see everything they do, and be able to enjoy a good view afterwards" point of view. It's an absolute tour-de-force in doing it properly as far as I'm concerned.