I was just thinking and wondering, and I wanted to ask the question, (If however unlikely) if I complete stranger came up out of the blue, and you were not expecting it nor ready for it, and hit you in the face with a cream pie, how would you react? Would you be mad? Would you like it? I certainly don't want to speak for everyone here but from what I gather and what I know myself, is that a lot of us prepare and plan, even subconsciously when we're not aware of it. I think we all have a perfect picture in our head of what is supposed to happen and what we would like to have, and sometimes it doesn't always work out the way we want it to. AND..... There are a lot of variables to this question. Let's say you are a straight person that only wants the opposite sex to do that to you.... Or vice versa.... You want a same sex person to do it to you. Either way a complete stranger just invaded your personal space without your consent, how does that make you feel, (in this situation)? Come on guys and gals don't leave me hanging!!! The last time I posted in the forum on a topic I had two likes and no replies. Somebody has to have something to say about this..... Or I guess my thoughts and material are weak. Lol.
I believe the Golden Rule to any fetish is the phrase "Safe, Sane, Consensual". In this particular example, the consent would be missing.
I love pies. I love giving them, and I love receiving them. But if someone did that to me while I was at work, or out in public, or whatever, that is NOT ok. And aside from the aforementioned civil lawsuit and potential criminal charges, the person would also have to pay for their own ambulance and medical treatment at the local hospital.
Back in the old Craigslist Personals days I'd have strangers come over to myself and gunge me. Some even pulled their dicks out and jacked off onto my face after the sploshing was over. This was all planned out ahead of time through emails though. As everyone else has pointed out consent is everything.
I've always wanted to be pranked with a surprise pie in the face. I've arranged skits before where either I or someone else appeared to be pied by surprise for comedic effect, but never have I ever been actually surprise pied. That said, I would not appreciate the comedic effect if I was on a schedule to be doing something else that was important. For instance, if I was headed to an important job interview and some stranger ruined my professional appearance, I would be legitimately upset. However, if I had finished my interview and a friend surprised me with a pie in my face, I would merely act upset for comedic effect and then put myself in a position to be pranked again as people laughed.
As much as I love the thought of a public pie-ing, if some rando came up to me and smashed one in my face I would kick them right in the balls. (Let's face it, it's bound to be a man). I would find out all about them and ruin them.
I'd be super pissed. If I was on my way to some kind of event or my job, now I have pie all over me; face, hair, clothes, etc...so I'd tend to want to call the police. And by the way, this is not without precedent - it's assault and a quick google search will show you people who have been arrested for it.
When you see those prank vids on youtube where some guy randomly pies people, it's either staged or they're taking a huge risk of being arrested...which has happened many times to youtube pranksters.
I would feel violated, not aroused. It's an appalling thing to do to a complete stranger. You don't know what else is going on in that person's life, what allergies they have, where they're on their way to. Only some absolute man-child would do it, and you'd hope sooner or later they'd pick the wrong person and learn not to do it again.
In the words of filmmaker Jean-Luc Godard (after being pied by the 'entartiste' Noel Godin at Cannes): "I compliment le monsieur for his homage to silent cinema."
First off let me say thank you. I appreciate everybody commenting on this topic. I certainly agree with the feelings that have been posted here. By asking such a question, it helps me in this dynamic, getting to know the people that I'm actually talking to online. You can't 100% know a person until you meet them in person. The one thing that I've learned from this forum, is that no matter how much your fetish is a part of your life.... You still want to be in control of it, no matter how submissive you are. First of all we all know this is very unlikely to happen. For me personally if I was out in public wearing my vinyl and rubber which I occasionally do.... And let's just say for the better part of a scenario..... A drunk woman at a restaurant decided that I looked so good in my clothes that she wanted to hit me with a cream pie.... And did. Yes I would feel assaulted and my first reaction would be to be pissed off. At the same time...... I would still be turned on a little bit by it. If a guy did it..... It certainly would be fight time and he be picking up his teeth with broken fingers. But if it was a gay guy I might feel differently. I realize I'm getting into weird territory and there's so many variables. Anybody that would do that to you has to have something wrong in the head or under the influence of something to be that presumptuous. In a way I guess I was doing a psychological experiment with you guys, and I just wondered if there might be someone on here that would actually enjoy that happening to them. The world turns and it takes all kinds. I'm not trying to make any point here but then again I am. We are okay being assaulted as long as we are in control of it. When someone assaults us outside of our control, we get angry. Just something to think about. I try not to do too much deep thinking here.... But my question lets me know who I'm talking to. Now, one of you online friends....hit me in the Face with a cream pie! I don't know you but have at me!
ambush wam is not cool, its way better and more fun if you have the consent of the person your pieing that says that they are open too trying it or are actively doing it. Can't stress enough how important consent is, in are times you just don't know how someone might react to that.
ThePieBoy said: I'm not trying to make any point here but then again I am.
...huh?
ThePieBoy said: We are okay being assaulted as long as we are in control of it. When someone assaults us outside of our control, we get angry.
We're like 75% there but I'd use language other than "assault." Basically assault is when you put someone in reasonable fear of harm, and battery is when you put that violence/harm in action.
IE: If I threaten to knock someone out at McDonald's, that can be assault if I appear threatening and seem to have the means to deliver that threat. BUT if I'm in a boxing ring and I threaten to knock out my opponent, that's not assault because we're in a situation where that violence is expected within certain parameters. If I start kicking my opponent in the groin repeatedly or something, that could be assault.
My point is that a consensual pie in the face is NOT assault that we're ok with or something, because assault is not ok. The meaning is important when we're dealing with potentially criminal acts, so I don't think we should link one with the other.
If a friend of mine is ok with being pied, comes over to my house to get pied, changes into the bikini she wore to get pied, walks into the kitchen and sees the pies and they're her favorite flavor and says "Those look delicious," and then sits down in the chair in my bathtub and looks at me holding a pie and says "Let me have it!!" it's not assault if I throw that pie in her face cause that's what we're there for.
If that same friend who is ok with being pied is at work and I sneak up behind her and hit her with a pie (and for the sake of argument let's say it's her favorite flavor of pie to get pied with), I still might have committed assault because she wasn't, at that time, a willing participant. In this hypothetical, maybe she's deeply embarrassed and feels betrayed because I snuck up on her and brought her potential discomfort, so now it's her call whether to press charges or not.
ABGamma said it before, but I guess the TL;DR version is: "Consent is kind of a big fucking deal"
I use the word assault because that's what it is. The definition of assault is being attacked or put upon by another person. The word may sound harsh to you but the definition is credible. If someone hits you in the face with a cream pie, even if it's consensual, you have still been assaulted by someone with a cream pie. They attacked and hit you with the cream pie.
ThePieBoy said: I use the word assault because that's what it is. The definition of assault is being attacked or put upon by another person. The word may sound harsh to you but the definition is credible. If someone hits you in the face with a cream pie, even if it's consensual, you have still been assaulted by someone with a cream pie. They attacked and hit you with the cream pie.
No.
There is no such thing as consensual assault because assault is, by definition, without consent.
I think Jazz Talker was trying to make a LEGAL distinction: under law in the U.S. any words (spoken or written; like 'I'm going to put you in the ground'), gesture (making a clenched fist), etc. that can be interpreted as physically threatening, is considered 'assault. 'Battery' is when the assault is accompanied of followed by (injurious) physical contact, hence 'assault and battery'.
In popular usage (the 'vernacular'), assault means any aggressive, violent (and presumably non-consensual) contact by one person against another. (whether or not it results in injury).
wamajama said: I think Jazz Talker was trying to make a LEGAL distinction: under law in the U.S. any words (spoken or written; like 'I'm going to put you in the ground'), gesture (making a clenched fist), etc. that can be interpreted as physically threatening, is considered 'assault. 'Battery' is when the assault is accompanied of followed by (injurious) physical contact, hence 'assault and battery'.
In popular usage (the 'vernacular'), assault means any aggressive, violent (and presumably non-consensual) contact by one person against another. (whether or not it results in injury).
This is it. Thanks. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but I wanted to make that kind of distinction to the best of my ability. To muddy the waters further, the law in my state has different definitions for simple assault, aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and so on.
So while pieing a consenting friend in the face MIGHT be a certain kind of "assault"/"attack" (in the same way we might metaphorically say someone was "obliterated" with pies), it's quite different than assault as deemed by the law.
I don't want to hijack the thread, so maybe this is a topic for another day, but I'd be interested to hear any producers weigh in on this in terms of what waivers models have to sign, especially folks like Slimed Models who use stuff where being grossed out is part of the point. That, or anyone with legal expertise.
In the vast majority of US states, there normally exists a "non-applicability" clause to assaultive contact. And that clause normally includes consent.
So, as an example: if two people engage in a fight willingly, and either (or both) are injured, the charge of assault is non-applicable, because they consented to the conduct.
Likewise, if one engages in a sport, such as rugby, and you get injured by being tackled. You can't claim "assault" because you consented to the contact as part of the sport.
Each state has different laws regarding assault. For example, in Texas (where I live), there exists Assault by Offensive Contact, Assault by Threat, Assault with Bodily Injury, Aggravated Assault, etc. Its always important to know the laws where you live. A non-consensual pie in the face in Texas, provided there is no injury, would be charged as Assault by Offensive Contact.
Bottom line is this: don't do it without consent. While I understand that some people (like the OP) like the "idea" of a surprise pie in the face (because they enjoy the humiliation aspect), life isn't a movie or a television show. That sort of thing doesn't just "happen" without consequences.
First off I'd like to thank everybody that commented. I believe the main topic kind of went sideways somewhere along the way, and that's okay. I knew they were going to be strong feelings about my topic... I just didn't know to what degree. Well now I know. My simple question and the motives behind asking it we're certainly not malicious, nor was I trying to irritate or be combative with the community. I sincerely had a interest in knowing if there was anyone out there that was so submissive, that being hit with a pie by a complete stranger out of the blue, would be a turn-on for them. If you don't ask questions you'll never know. I truly do appreciate everyone taking the time to weigh in on this thread. To anyone that was offended or upset by what I had to say, I hope there's no hard feelings. I joined this community again after years of being way to make friends not enemies.
ThePieBoy
11/15/23, 1:40pm: This post won't bump the thread to the top.
Thank you jazz talker! It kind of amazes me that a simple question got everyone so heated. But like I said before I expected that because of the ways that I feel. I guess I use the bad choice of words by saying I was doing a psychological experiment.... But nonetheless I kind of was I wanted to know the depth and the intensity that people felt about the subject. You know it's really only people in our community that feel so strongly about consent. And I totally get that because we look at it in a different way. I have asked this question to people that aren't in this community and don't look at it the same way that we do because they are straight...... For lack of a better word. ( I'm sure if anyone reads this post I'm going to get school again on how to speak and what words and phrases to use) lol. Most of those people are 50/50. 50% of them would be pissed off. The other 50% have told me they would just laugh at all and it would be funny to them. And like I said all along through the thread, there are so many variables about this. What if I was on my way to work..... What if I was in front of my family and friends.... And I totally get that. And just like I said I was trying to make a point without making a point.... I guess what I was trying to say without spelling it out is..... Some people claim to be submissive. But they are only submissive enough that they are still in control. Professional dominatrixes give you a safe word to use when it goes beyond what you're willing to take. So in a way you are being submissive but you are still in control. It's a lot to think about and I get that.... Some people don't want to think about themselves and their psyche. Life is much easier if you just take it at face value. Anywho... I'm tired of talking about deep subjects. Thank you for your reply and nice to have met you I think I'll send you a friend request here soon, have a great evening I'm going to take a bath and go to bed.
Somebody said it above but I'll agree by saying it's situational and exists on a spectrum. If I'm on my way TO a place or an appointment, I'd be annoyed and pissed all around. If I'm on my way home or nearby home with nothing on the agenda, I'd act mad but secretly love it. I've always loved the idea of being surprised with a pie or sliming. If it was a guy, I'd enjoy the pie but not the fact that it was a guy that did it. If it was a girl, I'd probably just try to get her back in the moment and the experience would never leave my memory bank until the day I died. Lol.
I'd love to be surprised, within reason. Just tell me the day and I'll lead my normal life, ridiculosly amped up cause I'm never sure what or when will happen. I could easily agree to that.
I don't want to hijack the thread, so maybe this is a topic for another day, but I'd be interested to hear any producers weigh in on this in terms of what waivers models have to sign, especially folks like Slimed Models who use stuff where being grossed out is part of the point. That, or anyone with legal expertise.
I have a video that I send them, which they attest to viewing. It's a representative sample of what a Splatter Island filming consists of. Your experience would be similar.
The ad they respond to lays out what type of video it is (fetish) and the general idea of what's going to happen (pies, slime, briefs, etc.)
If there have been any substantial changes between what I'm currently doing and what I plan on doing in their scene, I ask ahead of time, so I have it in writing. An example is I get explicit permission before supply jock straps. I also tell them that opting for briefs is acceptable. If a model asked about the ingredients, I tell them. They have to declare any known allergies when they apply. This includes food or environmental, since I shoot in a place that has cats and where to tobacco is used. Allergies to the ingredients are rare.
If they respond with allergies that they may be exposed to triggers, I tell them to what extent they would be exposed and give them the option to continue. It's usually cats. They won't come in contact with cats.
This creates the informed consent needed.
Lately, I've been having models be surprised by the amount of time I allot for the shoot. I really want to tell them it was in the offer email. But I have to play nice.