EXCELLENT question, Bozo.

1. Bra and panties. I like plain bikini bra and panties.
The Japanese get this right. Take any of hundreds of Japanese videos of girls stripping down to bra and panties.
Or the sports bras and panties from
https://www.youtube.com/user/WrestlaTV1/videos

Or any of the models and panty scene from any of the video by chrisdejosephproductions or fridaynitefrights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApbR_1gIuuM

2. The acting. I want the bra and panties to stay on throughout the scene.
Furthermore, I get bored the instant the acting turns from tit-for-tat comedic
indignation and humiliation into a sensual mutual lesbian hair or facial massage.

3. And, then, the pies: make them all like from the Tabitha video
http://vidown.com/cgi/store2.pl?site=slapstick.artshtick.com

or Redd from 025 Volume 25
http://vidown.com/cgi/store2.pl?site=excessivemess.com&keyword=&vcart=pp04192016085337-98&pagelimit=25&pagenumber=12

Most producers get 2 of these 3 things right, but never all 3 together.

Dungeon Master brings up the kind of things I was thinking of when I posted this. I absolutely agree there are too many videos that have way too much camerawork. They are so busy panning down or showing the table of pies that they miss the face hits!

Or they are zoomed in on one girl while the other girl(s) in the scene are now unable to be seen at all.

Or how about the one where the girl being pied has her back to the camera! WTF

Or when the girl in the center of the frame is not the one getting messed up.


And I agree with Zoidberg. I hate it when the scene starts with the girls acting humiliated and saying their lines and then devolves into the sensual. Scenes should be one or the other.

This, oh god this. As someone who's (obviously) into the foot fetish side of WAM this always irks me greatly. Nothing worse than seeing a potentially great clip on here, looking at the screencaps and seeing that the models bottom half of her legs and feet are out of the shot

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Adobe Premier Pro fixes most of these problems. It's like super-powerful. I totally love it. But I don't love the price tag. Anyways, I know I've been guilty of panning down for a foot shot, then forgetting to pan back up for pies. AARGH! And it's not like you can call them back for a reshoot. However, if the feet are in the scene, I can use the pan and zoom feature to make it look like a cameraman zoomed it and panned down. Same thing with zooms. One shot, two zoom levels. It's awesome. For distant zooms, you could probably set up a tri-pod, and leave it there. If your camera is powerful enough to pick it up, PP can zoom in to it.

NEVER hit someone with your palm on the pie tin. You could break their nose. Though you are right that holding the edge of the tin reduces splatter effect. The best way to deliver pies is a short throw, or using only fingertips that aren't where their nose will be.

At least if the screencaps make it clear there's no foot views then you know to avoid the scene. I've seen ones where the previews make it look as if we're going to get good leg and bum gunging scenes, but then when you buy the scene it's 90% top half and we never get to see the models legs go from clean to messy, just aftermath scenes later on - the money shots themselves completelty missed.

On Saturation Hall and Langstonedale scenes I'm careful to always give detailed descriptions of what's in the scene, we include foot sections in a fair few scenes and always put the details plus a screencap or two in the description so people know what they are getting.


I think you've misunderstood my post - No amount of editing software is going to correct for the video operator not filming the scene in the first place - if they'd been filming the model's top half as she steps into the gunge and hence completely missed her feet and legs going in, nothing Adobe Premiere or any other package can do is going to go back in time and re-point the camera to include the bit that was missed. Nor is it going to be able to turn the model round, or move the camera operator to the other end of the gunge bath to film her bottom going in if they were at the front when she sat down. Nor is it going to be able to move the camera in close, with a wide view, when the original scene was filmed from the bank and zoomed in.

There is a lot that a good edit package can do to improve an already good scene, but it cannot recover material that was never filmed in the first place because the camera was in the wrong place or pointing in the wrong direction, or zoomed all the way in when it should have been taking a full body wide shot.

Everyone makes mistakes, I've made a fair few down the years, but we should all strive to make each new scene better than the last one, and avoiding obvious mistakes should be part of learning to become a good WAM producer.

A few things for me...

Excessive titles and effects. Yes these things are needed, but keep them simple and in good taste.

Cheap production values. Shakey camera, badly setup sound, set pieces that are just not up to the task, and bad plot lines. Decent equipment is easily got these days - just spend some time learning how to use it. And again for the storyline just keep it simple and in good taste.

Gunge tanks that leak onto the victim. I know they're going to get covered, but why ruin the suspense?

Excessive makeup - more of a personal preference here. I always find it much more enjoyable to see models with natural beauty messed up.

Several things:

Seeing females in the scene who don't get messy (primarily into male WAM but co-ed can be hot too if it is mutual)

Poor coverage

Not using real pies or, at the very least, not using at least whipped cream pies. Shaving cream pies are boring and ridiculous to me.

Not looking up for a sliming/messing

The model cleaning their face as they go along. Like it to build up.

Bad lighting/tacky, unprofessional use of green screens

Models getting laughed at/too much talking. I know that's a turnon for a lot of people, but I usually just end up turning the sound down.

Not occasionally having the model turn to the side for a side view

Clothes!