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"WAM--Porn--Willing to pay for it?"
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I realized today that its been 12 years since I made any WAM porn, for the record I consider Porn a hot guy and hot porn star girl Fucking. I am in a position to make some, probably in the Mud Pit. What some of you may not realize is that it costs a lot of money to do a Porn shoot. Just straight fetish or even masturbation in a third of the price to produce porn. i.e. for example if a regular shoot cost $10 to produce and porn shoot would be over $30 to shoot.
In order to hope and make a profit I would have to sell the video for $30+ and there would have to enough UMD customers interested to make it happen. I dunno! A lot of you don't even care about nakedness, most prefer Pies/Slime. This would be a Mud Shoot. Let me know, it would be up to my usual standard, there would be a wide shoot and close ups.
Phil
In order to hope and make a profit I would have to sell the video for $30+ and there would have to enough UMD customers interested to make it happen. I dunno! A lot of you don't even care about nakedness, most prefer Pies/Slime. This would be a Mud Shoot. Let me know, it would be up to my usual standard, there would be a wide shoot and close ups.
Phil
I personally enjoy WAM porn. It really depends on the scene and other factors that I enjoy to make it perfect. This is no different that any other form of WAM. I personally like to see the girl in about 90% coverage during a WAM porn scene so I can clearly see her features, remnants of clothes etc. All the better if she is wearing heels.
increased cost doesn't deter me much if the scene has what I'm looking for. The right combination of extras and features + the right length of time for the price = buy.
increased cost doesn't deter me much if the scene has what I'm looking for. The right combination of extras and features + the right length of time for the price = buy.
I only care for Girl on Girl or single girl scenes.
Yea so many niches.
I'm into softer Girl on girl.. ideally starting clothed and moving to nude.
However I will recognize the quality you produce and might buy it if the stars hit my sweet spot. For example if one of the girl get in the mud in jeans and t-shirt and then sucks a dick gets naked and gets fuck.. I'm all in..
It's really hard to project what the number of sales would be with a big price tag. Like.. it's better to sell 100 copies at 10$ than 30 copies at 30$..
It will be high risk for sure. But wow a day shooting it it will be.
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
I'm into softer Girl on girl.. ideally starting clothed and moving to nude.
However I will recognize the quality you produce and might buy it if the stars hit my sweet spot. For example if one of the girl get in the mud in jeans and t-shirt and then sucks a dick gets naked and gets fuck.. I'm all in..
It's really hard to project what the number of sales would be with a big price tag. Like.. it's better to sell 100 copies at 10$ than 30 copies at 30$..
It will be high risk for sure. But wow a day shooting it it will be.
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
MudMadPhil said: I realized today that its been 12 years since I made any WAM porn, for the record I consider Porn a hot guy and hot porn star girl Fucking. I am in a position to make some, probably in the Mud Pit. What some of you may not realize is that it costs a lot of money to do a Porn shoot. Just straight fetish or even masturbation in a third of the price to produce porn. i.e. for example if a regular shoot cost $10 to produce and porn shoot would be over $30 to shoot.
In order to hope and make a profit I would have to sell the video for $30+ and there would have to enough UMD customers interested to make it happen. I dunno! A lot of you don't even care about nakedness, most prefer Pies/Slime. This would be a Mud Shoot. Let me know, it would be up to my usual standard, there would be a wide shoot and close ups.
Phil
In order to hope and make a profit I would have to sell the video for $30+ and there would have to enough UMD customers interested to make it happen. I dunno! A lot of you don't even care about nakedness, most prefer Pies/Slime. This would be a Mud Shoot. Let me know, it would be up to my usual standard, there would be a wide shoot and close ups.
Phil
Phil, you always produce such high quality vids with sexy girls, so even though I prefer food / gunge I'll still pay your price for Mud Porn... especially if the sexy girl is giving a blow-job & gets a facial!
wam_guevara said:
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
wam_guevara said:
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
I allow models to bring chaperones, usually their partners, and have occasionally had close personal friends of my own come along as assistants - but in both cases people we all know and trust - and generally who aren't into WAM so there is no tension involved, they're genuinely there to help, not to oggle.
Plus TBH the actual business of a WAM shoot is way less sexy than most people imagine, it's basically a trainload of logistics and practicality.
Edit: PS: In answer to Phil's question, in my case I'm only into clothed WAM, so while I'm sure the scene will have epic production values and stunning models, it wouldn't work for me, so no, I wouldn't buy. Delete the sex, dress the models in figure-fitting boilersuits and boots, and have them get in slowly and then hug and caress and play in the mud, all fully clothed, and especially if the guy is a bit more effeminate, still male but gentle and cute rather than hard and masculine, and then knowing Phil's production standards I'd buy it. But I suspect none of the rest of the audience the actual proposed scene is aimed at would.
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DungeonMasterOne said:
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
I allow models to bring chaperones, usually their partners, and have occasionally had close personal friends of my own come along as assistants - but in both cases people we all know and trust - and generally who aren't into WAM so there is no tension involved, they're genuinely there to help, not to oggle.
Plus TBH the actual business of a WAM shoot is way less sexy than most people imagine, it's basically a trainload of logistics and practicality.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
wam_guevara said:
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
I allow models to bring chaperones, usually their partners, and have occasionally had close personal friends of my own come along as assistants - but in both cases people we all know and trust - and generally who aren't into WAM so there is no tension involved, they're genuinely there to help, not to oggle.
Plus TBH the actual business of a WAM shoot is way less sexy than most people imagine, it's basically a trainload of logistics and practicality.
Yeah, For the models to bring their husbands or Boyfriends, I'm fine with. Especially if we never worked together before they know they would feel more comfortable if they had their partner with them the day of the shoot. I'm particularly talking about those into WAM who just want to be on set for the sake of watching with no desire to learn or understand, as you so eloquently brought up, the nut and bolts of what makes a shoot happen.
Funny example: One guy called me lucky because I'm typically the one oiling the girls from behind the POV camera but he's not seeing me focusing on keeping the wrestlers in frame, keeping an eye on the timecode on the camera, keeping an eye on my other camera op, keeping an eye on the wrestlers to make sure they don't drift out of frame of my one static camera, giving visual queues to the wrestlers throughout the scene, listening for Ableton queues I programmed in to give me a good guess into how far into the song we are and making sure my freaking mitts stay out of the shots in all three cameras. And that's for one scene! The results are sexy as hell. The operation portion of it is a big pain in the ass
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
DungeonMasterOne said:
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
I allow models to bring chaperones, usually their partners, and have occasionally had close personal friends of my own come along as assistants - but in both cases people we all know and trust - and generally who aren't into WAM so there is no tension involved, they're genuinely there to help, not to oggle.
Plus TBH the actual business of a WAM shoot is way less sexy than most people imagine, it's basically a trainload of logistics and practicality.
Edit: PS: In answer to Phil's question, in my case I'm only into clothed WAM, so while I'm sure the scene will have epic production values and stunning models, it wouldn't work for me, so no, I wouldn't buy. Delete the sex, dress the models in boilersuits and boots, and have them get in slowly and then hug and caress and play in the mud, all fully clothed, and especially if the guy is a bit more effeminate, still male but gentle and cute rather than hard and masculine, and then knowing Phil's production standards I'd buy it. But I suspect none of the rest of the audience the actual proposed scene is aimed at would.
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
wam_guevara said:
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
Not sure if it's acceptable, but wouldn't some people be willing to pay to attend the shooting, and maybe help with the cleanup or something?
Cheers
I personally will never let strangers attend a shoot in ANY capacity unless they are a hired part of my crew or talent and all crew members have to pass my requirements/assessment otherwise they get dismissed. No exceptions. Just way too much risk involved for the talent, or anyone on set and opens way too many doors to other potential issues down the line.
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
I allow models to bring chaperones, usually their partners, and have occasionally had close personal friends of my own come along as assistants - but in both cases people we all know and trust - and generally who aren't into WAM so there is no tension involved, they're genuinely there to help, not to oggle.
Plus TBH the actual business of a WAM shoot is way less sexy than most people imagine, it's basically a trainload of logistics and practicality.
Edit: PS: In answer to Phil's question, in my case I'm only into clothed WAM, so while I'm sure the scene will have epic production values and stunning models, it wouldn't work for me, so no, I wouldn't buy. Delete the sex, dress the models in boilersuits and boots, and have them get in slowly and then hug and caress and play in the mud, all fully clothed, and especially if the guy is a bit more effeminate, still male but gentle and cute rather than hard and masculine, and then knowing Phil's production standards I'd buy it. But I suspect none of the rest of the audience the actual proposed scene is aimed at would.
Yea I guess I agree with both of you.. shouldn't have unknown fetish fans hanging around, just too much risk. Phil's question was can the scene break even.. None of us know, but the sum of us does.. There's not that many ways to add revenue for one scene if the community within the community is too small.
I will be completely honest with you Phil. WAM Porn is my third favorite thing. You see for my WAM Fetish I love seeing a beautiful woman who's really cute or really sexy getting all messy, and when I see them get all messy and turned on from the pleasure it gets my attention. When I watch a mud video where the mud is making the woman feel aroused and gets completely covered while in the nude. For Pies and Slime, that depends if she is making love with either another man or woman, and they decide to get messy by covering each other in pies or slime.
Your best bet is to hire attractive amateur couples. WAM is a niche fetish and hiring pros in the porn biz is throwing away money if you use them just for a WAM porn shoot. Because we only use amateurs for our blowjob series, we can turn a profit after just one day of a release.
Do it! It's fun!
I am not listening to you ArchNemesis AKA Archer! You are a bad influence! I get you MG and financially you are right, but there is something better about a couple or Porn Stars going at it, tried amateurs before and some of the guys think they can do it on film but can't, ruined shoot.
I also never let customers on-set, its off putting for the models and one or two have misbehaved in the past, so hell no. Well unless they are paying me, talent and everything....
I also never let customers on-set, its off putting for the models and one or two have misbehaved in the past, so hell no. Well unless they are paying me, talent and everything....
I'm also down for wam porn. It's fantastic. Price point is an issue though. I think I remember getting the Jordan mud fuck one when the price was $30. But then in shot it to $50. Not sure I would've bought it at that high. Stinks a bit for you because you have to pay for two models. A producer AND model would only have one model fee.
Thw ROI might be better if the videos weren't leaked to all the free sites. Both of those are out there pretty heavily.
I do hope you do it again. Your mud and camera work quality is fantastic.
Thw ROI might be better if the videos weren't leaked to all the free sites. Both of those are out there pretty heavily.
I do hope you do it again. Your mud and camera work quality is fantastic.
Although most of my wam spending is now on only fan pie customs (for now) I do buy the occasional scene, and yea I've absolutely bought WAM porn. The most recent was an awesome one by Jayce. However I like the pie/cream mess when it comes to the porn. I'm a bit too empathetic and I imagine the mud wouldn't taste very good during oral sex or what not.
I loved your 2 mud sex videos (especially Jordan Kingsley) so hell yea I would pay 4 the scene. I hope you are able to get her back. but will support any you do, but also loved your pie sex scenes as well
I still remember when I wrote Jordan Kingsley facebook and she described how much she enjoyed it.
I still remember when I wrote Jordan Kingsley facebook and she described how much she enjoyed it.
I am always surprised by the lack of Wam porn, especially women getting pleasured,
Banging on again about my theory that Wam is an add on fetishism, (I.e. People like to see someone being pied or slimed, but unless doing or wearing something specific that turns them on, like white jeans, tights, shorts etc it doesn't do anything for them)
Personally I would rather see a regular woman fully dressed to start with, getting pied, before revealing stocking tops, then someone going down on her till she cuts, than a naked supermodel getting pied.
There are not many scenes like this around, be interesting to hear if other warmers like straight M/F porn, or why producers don't make Wam porn, although it's probably a cost thing
Banging on again about my theory that Wam is an add on fetishism, (I.e. People like to see someone being pied or slimed, but unless doing or wearing something specific that turns them on, like white jeans, tights, shorts etc it doesn't do anything for them)
Personally I would rather see a regular woman fully dressed to start with, getting pied, before revealing stocking tops, then someone going down on her till she cuts, than a naked supermodel getting pied.
There are not many scenes like this around, be interesting to hear if other warmers like straight M/F porn, or why producers don't make Wam porn, although it's probably a cost thing
Lapwingboy said: I am always surprised by the lack of Wam porn, especially women getting pleasured,
Banging on again about my theory that Wam is an add on fetishism, (I.e. People like to see someone being pied or slimed, but unless doing or wearing something specific that turns them on, like white jeans, tights, shorts etc it doesn't do anything for them)
Personally I would rather see a regular woman fully dressed to start with, getting pied, before revealing stocking tops, then someone going down on her till she cuts, than a naked supermodel getting pied.
There are not many scenes like this around, be interesting to hear if other warmers like straight M/F porn, or why producers don't make Wam porn, although it's probably a cost thing
Banging on again about my theory that Wam is an add on fetishism, (I.e. People like to see someone being pied or slimed, but unless doing or wearing something specific that turns them on, like white jeans, tights, shorts etc it doesn't do anything for them)
Personally I would rather see a regular woman fully dressed to start with, getting pied, before revealing stocking tops, then someone going down on her till she cuts, than a naked supermodel getting pied.
There are not many scenes like this around, be interesting to hear if other warmers like straight M/F porn, or why producers don't make Wam porn, although it's probably a cost thing
Interesting reflection, I don't really consume porn unless it is in a messy context, but like you.. give me 2 girls next door wrestling in mud and pulling each other's clothes and I'm very happy. I guess ask 20 wam fetishist what they want and you will get 42 different answers..
Its something I would love to see, I've always loved your work.
DungeonMasterOne said:
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
Many years ago I remember reading a report (possibly on a different forum) from a producer who did allow paying guests to come to a shoot, strictly to watch, no touching. One guy convinced himself that because he'd paid he was allowed to interact with the model, and got violent and started throwing rocks and bricks at the model and crew at the end of the shoot when he was told no.
I remember reading that - might have been discussed in the old Splosh forums. Shoot was using a farm as a set, and IIRC, the guy was under the assumption that he'd be allowed to have a full-on shag with the model of his choice after the scene was wrapped, right there in the pit. Think he actually caught her in the side of the head with one of those thrown rocks, too. Some fkn people, man...
As far as niches go, ehhh, might pay, might not. It's a personal preference for me, but it's all so much hotter when the couple is legit into it and into each other, as per MG's comments. There's usually a kind of subtle attraction or behavior, be it eye contact, body language, etc. that can't easily be faked, and thats the turn on. Personally speaking, if the scene is...how to phrase it...too perfect(?), or if there's an impression that its just another everyday ass-for-cash scene with a little more mess? Blown. Done.
Well looks like there is enough interest, the rest I guess is my risk. I will make a short list of talent and as for your input.
Phil
Phil
