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"Should wam be introduced to pornstars."
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We've seen a lot of sexy gals in the WAM world, and they are now moving on to their future life's. But what we fans of the wet and messy community would really love to see are the sexy ladies from Brazzers, or any other adult entertainment group join the wet and messy life. Two gals that I would really love to see making love in the mud pit would be Bridgette B, and Nicolette Shea. Either one of those babes would make a perfect mud scene like Summer did on Mud Puddle Visuals.
I suspect you'll find every pornstar has already been introduced to every fetish imaginable (and then some) by people bombarding their social media with endless messages.
Some models move on, others will keep going for decades, and there will always be new people coming in, the trick is to support the new models as they appear, by buying their content. A million likes make no difference, but a $15 sale may well go towards funding their next scene.
Some models move on, others will keep going for decades, and there will always be new people coming in, the trick is to support the new models as they appear, by buying their content. A million likes make no difference, but a $15 sale may well go towards funding their next scene.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
Mudicon20 said: But what we fans of the wet and messy community would really love to see are the sexy ladies from Brazzers, or any other adult entertainment group join the wet and messy life.
Speak for yourself. Personally I like the professional models we have and the amateurs who do AND the folks that are not models but make content for others.
I like the more amateur side, maybe it fits with the slapstick aesthetic and feel. I like the girl-next-door for the vicarious realism. I like that ANYONE on here can make content and someone will like it.
Bringing in the Pros does add something, certainly in production costs (equipment, scenes, writing) plus the models will be trained/experienced in a certain way that will appeal for some (yourself included). But me? I wouldn't watch it. I like the fun, have-a-go attitude of our community and I see turning WAM more 'professional' would make it too clean/sterile (ironically) and be more about them/action than the mess.
Obviously folks such as yourself have a different take from WAM, and that's cool. Vive la difference.
I've slimed a few pornstars and have messaged with literally hundreds more about getting slimed. I've only gotten a handful "no's". The hard part however is; pornstars are expensive. Like really REALLY expensive 
Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver. So you're not going to be getting any discounts on their rate.
Plus from a sheer producing standpoint, it's really hard to justify spending $1,200 per scene vs $200 per scene on "talent". And that's coming from a girl who spends $70-$105 per scene instead of $2.99-$5.99 per scene on slime ingrediants... So I am no stranger to desire-driven ridiculous financial behavior.
But the good news is, if you have any pornstars that you really want to see messy, I can guarantee you they've heard about WAM, and are most likely open to it. You just have to be willing to pay whatever it costs to make your fantasy a reality
And FWIW, the few times that I've done exactly that, were worth EVERY penny in my opinion. But also, they cost A LOT of pennies
Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver. So you're not going to be getting any discounts on their rate.
Plus from a sheer producing standpoint, it's really hard to justify spending $1,200 per scene vs $200 per scene on "talent". And that's coming from a girl who spends $70-$105 per scene instead of $2.99-$5.99 per scene on slime ingrediants... So I am no stranger to desire-driven ridiculous financial behavior.
But the good news is, if you have any pornstars that you really want to see messy, I can guarantee you they've heard about WAM, and are most likely open to it. You just have to be willing to pay whatever it costs to make your fantasy a reality
And FWIW, the few times that I've done exactly that, were worth EVERY penny in my opinion. But also, they cost A LOT of pennies
Mudicon20 said: Two gals that I would really love to see making love in the mud pit would be Bridgette B, and Nicolette Shea. Either one of those babes would make a perfect mud scene like Summer did on Mud Puddle Visuals.
So looking thru my excel sheet, it turns out I've messaged with both of those pornstars about getting slimed, and both were open to it!
Although for A LOT more money than I was willing to pay. 
Bridgette was before the pandemic and Nicolette was last fall, so no guarantees either of them are *still* open to it, and also their rates for mud might be more expensive than slime (or a hard no altogether) but if you wanna message me privately, I'd be more than happy to share what their rates were.
Happy to send their contact info to MPV for you as well if you/they end up wanting to move forward.
KelseyRose said: I've slimed a few pornstars and have messaged with literally hundreds more about getting slimed. I've only gotten a handful "no's". The hard part however is; pornstars are expensive. Like really REALLY expensive
Well said. I've gotten a rising number of requests from friends of mine who run OnlyFans pages for WAM content lately, so evidently this realm is slowly expanding to other platforms. As a photographer who's pretty much down for anything, it's always a treat to get a WAM shoot request from someone here because, at least for amateurs and local models here, they're really fun to shoot and everyone has a blast with a little bit of occasional rebellious mess-making.
Kelsey nailed it though when she pointed out that these gigs aren't generally preferred by professionals, and being 100% honest, those who create adult content professionally might be less likely to pursue WAM further unless there's greater demand for it and cashflow from it. Keep fingers crossed, I suppose!
Actually most of my better shoots were with Porn Stars. Sure the rates can be higher that an amateur Fetish Model, but at least with a Porn Star I know I am going to get some great content.
Don't be afraid to ask, back in the day Porn stars used to charge $1,200 a scene, that is now quite a bit lower. I would usually cough up $600 to $800 a day for a reasonably well known porn star these days. Then I assume I will get 3 shoots out of them 8am to 6pm day, so actually that's $300+ a scene, and I know it will be good and of course there is sex. All my best scenes were done by porn stars.
A regular Fetish model nude maybe some masturbation runs $150 an hour, just the model, maybe topless and your looking at $100 an hour. I have never had a model tell me she will not do Mud. Things like a full facial or a dive in I will offer a tip at the time of shooting, say another $60...
Phil
Don't be afraid to ask, back in the day Porn stars used to charge $1,200 a scene, that is now quite a bit lower. I would usually cough up $600 to $800 a day for a reasonably well known porn star these days. Then I assume I will get 3 shoots out of them 8am to 6pm day, so actually that's $300+ a scene, and I know it will be good and of course there is sex. All my best scenes were done by porn stars.
A regular Fetish model nude maybe some masturbation runs $150 an hour, just the model, maybe topless and your looking at $100 an hour. I have never had a model tell me she will not do Mud. Things like a full facial or a dive in I will offer a tip at the time of shooting, say another $60...
Phil
After seeing the reply I figured their would be reply about expensive pornstars and yes they REALLY are expensive. Although I did message both Nicolette and Bridgette on their Onlyfans and Nicolette says she is now addicted to it. I told both gals to watch my favorite scene from Mud Puddle Visuals which is "Skylar and the Mud Bubbles", and they both enjoyed it.
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Mudicon20 said: After seeing the reply I figured their would be reply about expensive pornstars and yes they REALLY are expensive. Although I did message both Nicolette and Bridgette on their Onlyfans and Nicolette says she is now addicted to it. I told both gals to watch my favorite scene from Mud Puddle Visuals which is "Skylar and the Mud Bubbles", and they both enjoyed it.
That one IS a classic.
I even wanna be me! -- Zoe
the best WAM scene I ever saw from a mainstream pornstar was Adriana Chechik's Squirting Mudbath (see the attached pic, taken from her Twitter). she really got into it, too, pressing her face down in the mud/clay with gusto
if I had the money and the ladies were up for it, I'd arrange a mudwrestling match between Adriana Chechik and Karmen Karma. they've done scenes together before, I bet they'd be into it
if I had the money and the ladies were up for it, I'd arrange a mudwrestling match between Adriana Chechik and Karmen Karma. they've done scenes together before, I bet they'd be into it
MudBathingBoi said: the best WAM scene I ever saw from a mainstream pornstar was Adriana Chechik's Squirting Mudbath (see the attached pic, taken from her Twitter). she really got into it, too, pressing her face down in the mud/clay with gusto
if I had the money and the ladies were up for it, I'd arrange a mudwrestling match between Adriana Chechik and Karmen Karma. they've done scenes together before, I bet they'd be into it
if I had the money and the ladies were up for it, I'd arrange a mudwrestling match between Adriana Chechik and Karmen Karma. they've done scenes together before, I bet they'd be into it
Wow that looks amazing. just bought a bunch of their stuff. I wonder if they'll make HGD's.
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I have definitely introduced a porn star to wam. Proxy Paige and I had been going to raves together for ages before we made it far into the porn industry and ended up shooting together. I typically don't work with too many people from the mainstream industry for some of the reasons discussed above (cost, expectations etc) but primarily because most of the models I shoot with are organic discoveries and getting to see somebody experience something new on camera is a nifty thing indeed. That being said I have a trip planned to visit her in Europe before too long and there's some interesting stuff we have planned
The best custom I have received was from Slavebc and that was pretty cheap. It would probably cost at least 5 times more for the same video with Angela White or Phoenix Marie for example, that's way out of my budget. I wasted much money on ELM over the years, very cheap but poor quality. Seeing Louise Lee getting sploshed is a huge turn on for me after seeing some of her incredible porn (her videos with Pascal White are mind blowing). Danielle Maye, Goldie Blair and Christina Carter are all good examples of models that have done porn and WAM and they have done great WAM scenes over the years.
Like a couple others in the thread, I sometimes am more a fan of the girl next door/amateur ( early piefight girls vids, early slapstickstuff, wamma lamma pie, etc) which we don't see quite as much anymore, notable exception being the man and his wife. However, Nadia Valentine has some done some great videos with Charlotte Stokely, who is one of the top adult stars in the business and looks exactly Gillian Jacobs.
MudMadPhil said:
Don't be afraid to ask, back in the day Porn stars used to charge $1,200 a scene, that is now quite a bit lower. I would usually cough up $600 to $800 a day for a reasonably well known porn star these days. Then I assume I will get 3 shoots out of them 8am to 6pm day, so actually that's $300+ a scene, and I know it will be good and of course there is sex. All my best scenes were done by porn stars.
A regular Fetish model nude maybe some masturbation runs $150 an hour, just the model, maybe topless and your looking at $100 an hour. I have never had a model tell me she will not do Mud. Things like a full facial or a dive in I will offer a tip at the time of shooting, say another $60...
Phil
Don't be afraid to ask, back in the day Porn stars used to charge $1,200 a scene, that is now quite a bit lower. I would usually cough up $600 to $800 a day for a reasonably well known porn star these days. Then I assume I will get 3 shoots out of them 8am to 6pm day, so actually that's $300+ a scene, and I know it will be good and of course there is sex. All my best scenes were done by porn stars.
A regular Fetish model nude maybe some masturbation runs $150 an hour, just the model, maybe topless and your looking at $100 an hour. I have never had a model tell me she will not do Mud. Things like a full facial or a dive in I will offer a tip at the time of shooting, say another $60...
Phil
This goes against everything that every professional porn star I have met and worked with has told me. First of all, this industry is unchecked and unregulated, so there may be models out there who have never worked for an agency who don't know that they're not getting paid equally and fairly for their work. As well, I'm not sure what site you run, but it's likely more amateur than the sites that professionals are usually working on and not getting the amount of traffic that those sites do. But the standard rate is still $1200 for professionals.
The industry standard is for their protection as well as for what they put on the line with their body. $1200 for male/female penetration PER SCENE is the industry standard rate as of right now today for professionals. So if you're filming three penetration scenes in one day that's $3600. A professional model usually has tens of thousands of followers or way more who are guaranteed to buy the content and bring newcomers to the producer and the producers usually run subscription sites so they're getting paid monthly ON TOP of paying extra for certain scenes. Penetration is a physical risk, and requires physical protection, STD screening every 14 days. A model's privacy is definitely sacrificed putting her image out there, her rent and bills could be jeopardized if her work is not approved by her landlord, there's a number of reasons why those standard industry rates are what they are. Women are already getting paid less than men are getting paid, $1200 is what women get paid, but men get paid more for penetration scenes. I can't say that every model is a professional, but the professionals I know who are famous advocate for all models to get paid equally for this work.
CreamMeAgain said:
This goes against everything that every professional porn star I have met and worked with has told me. First of all, this industry is unchecked and unregulated, so there may be models out there who have never worked for an agency who don't know that they're not getting paid equally and fairly for their work. As well, I'm not sure what site you run, but it's likely more amateur than the sites that professionals are usually working on and not getting the amount of traffic that those sites do. But the standard rate is still $1200 for professionals.
The industry standard is for their protection as well as for what they put on the line with their body. $1200 for male/female penetration PER SCENE is the industry standard rate as of right now today for professionals. So if you're filming three penetration scenes in one day that's $3600. A professional model usually has tens of thousands of followers or way more who are guaranteed to buy the content and bring newcomers to the producer and the producers usually run subscription sites so they're getting paid monthly ON TOP of paying extra for certain scenes. Penetration is a physical risk, and requires physical protection, STD screening every 14 days. A model's privacy is definitely sacrificed putting her image out there, her rent and bills could be jeopardized if her work is not approved by her landlord, there's a number of reasons why those standard industry rates are what they are. Women are already getting paid less than men are getting paid, $1200 is what women get paid, but men get paid more for penetration scenes. I can't say that every model is a professional, but the professionals I know who are famous advocate for all models to get paid equally for this work.
MudMadPhil said:
Don't be afraid to ask, back in the day Porn stars used to charge $1,200 a scene, that is now quite a bit lower. I would usually cough up $600 to $800 a day for a reasonably well known porn star these days. Then I assume I will get 3 shoots out of them 8am to 6pm day, so actually that's $300+ a scene, and I know it will be good and of course there is sex. All my best scenes were done by porn stars.
A regular Fetish model nude maybe some masturbation runs $150 an hour, just the model, maybe topless and your looking at $100 an hour. I have never had a model tell me she will not do Mud. Things like a full facial or a dive in I will offer a tip at the time of shooting, say another $60...
Phil
Don't be afraid to ask, back in the day Porn stars used to charge $1,200 a scene, that is now quite a bit lower. I would usually cough up $600 to $800 a day for a reasonably well known porn star these days. Then I assume I will get 3 shoots out of them 8am to 6pm day, so actually that's $300+ a scene, and I know it will be good and of course there is sex. All my best scenes were done by porn stars.
A regular Fetish model nude maybe some masturbation runs $150 an hour, just the model, maybe topless and your looking at $100 an hour. I have never had a model tell me she will not do Mud. Things like a full facial or a dive in I will offer a tip at the time of shooting, say another $60...
Phil
This goes against everything that every professional porn star I have met and worked with has told me. First of all, this industry is unchecked and unregulated, so there may be models out there who have never worked for an agency who don't know that they're not getting paid equally and fairly for their work. As well, I'm not sure what site you run, but it's likely more amateur than the sites that professionals are usually working on and not getting the amount of traffic that those sites do. But the standard rate is still $1200 for professionals.
The industry standard is for their protection as well as for what they put on the line with their body. $1200 for male/female penetration PER SCENE is the industry standard rate as of right now today for professionals. So if you're filming three penetration scenes in one day that's $3600. A professional model usually has tens of thousands of followers or way more who are guaranteed to buy the content and bring newcomers to the producer and the producers usually run subscription sites so they're getting paid monthly ON TOP of paying extra for certain scenes. Penetration is a physical risk, and requires physical protection, STD screening every 14 days. A model's privacy is definitely sacrificed putting her image out there, her rent and bills could be jeopardized if her work is not approved by her landlord, there's a number of reasons why those standard industry rates are what they are. Women are already getting paid less than men are getting paid, $1200 is what women get paid, but men get paid more for penetration scenes. I can't say that every model is a professional, but the professionals I know who are famous advocate for all models to get paid equally for this work.
Most of the above models also have personal websites and other associated media platforms as well to earn extra monies from scenes (copy rights). In other cases models can make extra monies either directly or indirectly from the producers from videos or downloads sold. In some cases thou, this leads to exploitation of some models of all sex genera. This as we all know are sold on the 100's of websites here. Some models like CreamMeAgain as we all know produces her own content and sells this directly to us here on UMD.
I must be one of those weirdos who don't watch porn, cause I have no idea who those porn stars are.
If the difference between a porn star and a non-porn star is $1k, I'd dump the porn star any day of the week. I'd rather use the difference to buy $1k of cake batter and pour it on the model.
CAN YOU IMAGINE how much $1k of cake batter is going to be?
If the difference between a porn star and a non-porn star is $1k, I'd dump the porn star any day of the week. I'd rather use the difference to buy $1k of cake batter and pour it on the model.
CAN YOU IMAGINE how much $1k of cake batter is going to be?
KelseyRose said: Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver.
Pornstars enjoy porn? I can see enjoying a shoot overall but I I'd assume during the actual squiggly boopin' they'd be too focused or uncomfortable.
I'll bet the porn stars are expensive and although I love manufactured porn, I always feel that there is something missing. And it is the same with WAM scenes - the genuine reactions are just not genuine in a lot of the mainstream porn. And I would question any real pornstars who do venture into WAM for some off the cuff gig and their reactions to the slop. I personally prefer the homegrown actors we have in our little realm of the fetish world. WAM on!
Couples that get messy together, stick together
KelseyRose said:
Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver. So you're not going to be getting any discounts on their rate.
Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver. So you're not going to be getting any discounts on their rate.
I'm reminded of an experienced performer who I won't name. She said she could do my shoot but she wanted a lot more money for something so "hardcore".
Mud is soft.
Obviously this wasn't my gal.
Nessie
Loch_Ness said:
I'm reminded of an experienced performer who I won't name. She said she could do my shoot but she wanted a lot more money for something so "hardcore".
Mud is soft.
I'm reminded of an experienced performer who I won't name. She said she could do my shoot but she wanted a lot more money for something so "hardcore".
Mud is soft.
Playing in mud is more hardcore than sex scenes? Wow!
Obviously this wasn't my gal.
Nessie
Nessie
I guess not!!
Norman
"Hello porn stars, this is WAM. WAM this is pornstars"
Maybe go out on a date quick date and then see how it progresses first.
Maybe go out on a date quick date and then see how it progresses first.
RobbyWLP said: "Hello porn stars, this is WAM. WAM this is pornstars"
Maybe go out on a date quick date and then see how it progresses first.
Maybe go out on a date quick date and then see how it progresses first.
Robbie ......... it's almost bedtime, settle down now ........
Norman
Loch_Ness said:
I'm reminded of an experienced performer who I won't name. She said she could do my shoot but she wanted a lot more money for something so "hardcore".
Mud is soft.
KelseyRose said:
Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver. So you're not going to be getting any discounts on their rate.
Also, for them, it's not a great gig comparatively; WAM shoots are difficult, messy, time-intensive, and don't include having lots of really pleasurable sex with a great looking performer that is also a professional sex-haver. So you're not going to be getting any discounts on their rate.
I'm reminded of an experienced performer who I won't name. She said she could do my shoot but she wanted a lot more money for something so "hardcore".
Mud is soft.
Loch_Ness said: Obviously this wasn't my gal.
LOL! To be fair I kind of get her point if she's only used to working in clean, dry, air-conditioned studios, but that's still hilarious.
NormanMabeld said: Playing in mud is more hardcore than sex scenes? Wow!
I guess if someone is used to doing sex scenes, so they're more or less run of the mill, but has never done WAM before, it might seem a bit outlandish? But yeah, you have a good point there!
nereamuddy said: I think that it doesn't matter what you look like if you're playing in mud you're sexy! Maybe I'm too much of "that girl" but I don't think that a girl should be based on her looks as much as her character and if she truly loves mud then her character makes her much hotter to me.
I'd agree with you on that, and not just regarding mud but all forms of WAM, I find I enjoy scenes most when the people in them look like they are really havintg fun. A bit of "how dare you!" joke-shocked reaction is OK, but nothing too serious, and soon disolving into "actually this is really nice, now let me do it back to you!"
Or just all-out "this is awesome fun!" like the numberous times our people have gone "wheee!" as they hurtle down the mudbanks on their bottoms or fronts, getting totally drenched in mud. This is why I've always been happy to shoot with people of all ages - our oldest model is over 50 - genuinely having fun is the important bit, because that always comes over on camera.Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
DungeonMasterOne said:
LOL! To be fair I kind of get her point if she's only used to working in clean, dry, air-conditioned studios, but that's still hilarious.
LOL! To be fair I kind of get her point if she's only used to working in clean, dry, air-conditioned studios, but that's still hilarious.
She was. Her day job, which she didn't advertise online, was a clean, dry, air-conditioned department store.
Nessie
I'm currently working on casting and am in conversations with two absolute knock out porn stars that I think you all would love.
As Kelsey mentioned, it's just financial suicide. But hey, the goal was never to make money but to have fun with this, so I may just say screw it and book them!
As Kelsey mentioned, it's just financial suicide. But hey, the goal was never to make money but to have fun with this, so I may just say screw it and book them!
Well one day in the future perhaps we can split costs? I have done it in the past and it worked out well....
Phil
Phil
