I doubt the models are in on it at all, I gather the way the scheme works is the operator hires some models, pays them (probably standard rates) to produce some real scenes, enough to appear legitimate, and possibly also does and delivers some custom scenes. Operator then drops the model but uses their image and name to post here, gains a load more custom business, none of which is delivered, and then vanishes with the money. Some time later, hire another unwitting model and repeat the process.

This is very hard to defend against other than "buyer beware" sadly. TBH if someone wants to be really sure of avoiding scams, only ever booking customs from producers who have been around for at least five years will avoid most of them, though even that doesn't protect against a formerly legitimate producer gone rogue.

Yes obviously that can also be true I am afraid we will never know.

And yes it is definitely very difficult for people not to have trust issues with a new model I can confirm that from experience but it worked out fine but what I would personally want to see is if they have more platforms that sell to check them out before purchasing something

I saw red flags as well. We had a brief period of messaging back and forth about a session, I was asked for money up front, something I was not prepared to do (and because I have never done anything like this before, I DID wonder if I was being paranoid and if this was standard operating procedure for in-person sessions), and a few questionable things came up during our exchange.

Then I looked at her videos again and something else really struck me as off: In one of her videos, she says she was a stripper on and off for four years: https://www.instagram.com/p/B6RU4pFgH-j/?igshid=38krcpg1a1yj

Like the whole having kids thing being questionable, I did the math. Based on the age she said she was (21), that would've made her what? 16 or 17 years old when started stripping? Unless she somehow got away with lying about her age to get the gig, or was lying about her current age, I would think the chances of her stripping, professionally anyway, at the time she said she did is and was highly unlikely. So, in my opinion, something didn't feel right - whether it was her age or her story - and now...I read all of this.

It's a shame because I was also hoping she was the real deal, whether I went through with booking a session with her or not. I'm sorry for anyone who got scammed by her but I'm also glad I chickened out before taking things any further with her.

Thanks for your reply and never noticed that video tbh but definitely not a good look for sure.
Btw as far as I know it is for a lot of people a custom to have some sort of deposit on session but I would say that would never be higher then 50% but never the full amount from what I have seen even for highly rated people on here.

And yes definitely a good thing you didn't continue

From what I am reading people have paid for Goods and/or Services not been delivered or received. This matter falls under Goods and Trades Act in almost any country. If you have a copy of receipt in any form either a Bank Acc, Debit, Credit Card, Pay Pay or any site with a email address or similar and a Bank transfer to prove this. Then you have a legal right under Trades Laws No Matter how small the sum even as little a $1.00. Banks, Pay Pal and others, in some countries can follow these up if you contact their Complaints Centre. Even with normal a simple detail as to whom or where the monies were sent to some refunds are possible. Services like Pay Pal, Banks and other Banking Services have a complaints centre and can provide help with refunds.

Well I can only talk for myself but we paid through PayPal as friends and family as many people do and then this becomes invalid. But thanks for you input

Just want to chime in real quick and say that the female brain (or at least THIS female brain) has a similar flawed relationship with bloodflow and the vagina...

I am sure it doesn't matter how you identify or feel you always have that one thing that makes you do that

I feel very lucky that women lack blood flow to their brain at times, because if they didn't, I'd never convince any of them that getting slimed was a great idea

Thanks for your reply

Just to get back on topic here, Aubrey is not a model hired by this Chris guy. She's very much a part of the scam.I was about to book her for some videos when I discovered this.

Oh. How do you know that? I'm not doubting, just interested. My understanding is that the various models Chris hired over the years didn't know what he was really up to, so Aubrey actually being part of his latest scam would be a change.

Very interesting to get this information could you maybe share some more information so we might see how that people could know what to look for?

Emma's Warehouse just posted some new pics and vids advertising customs on their page please don't fall for it they are fake

If anyone without the "Offers customs" tag on their UMD profile is touting for custome, click the "Report" link and flag it to admin, we can then take appropriate action.

This is talking about an Instagram account as stated

Fair enough, but I can't see any reference to Instagram in the post above, it just says "on their page". Bear in mind not everyone's going to read a full thread every time, esp one as long as this. Did a text search for "Instagram" and I can see a link quite a few posts back upthread, but TBH I assumed previous links were re the Aubrey named in the subject. Always best to give detailed information, avoids confusion. The overall advice stands though, in terms of avoiding scams:

1. If anyone sees anything they think isn't right on the UMD itself, use the report links and flag to admin. If it's all OK, no harm done, if it isn't, MM and/or the Admins can take action.

2. If booking a custom from anywhere, never agree to full payment up front unless you know the model/producer or have another reason to fully trust them. A 50% deposit should cover main production costs, rest can be paid on completion.

3. Always be aware of "buyer beware". There's a risk in any business transaction when paying for a product that hasn't been made yet, and there have even been cases of established and formerly-trusted producers vanishing off the map or going rogue. 95% of the time the results will be great, but there's always the chance of things going wrong, which needs to be kept in mind.

None of which helps if someone's already been scammed of course.

I've been ordering custom videos since 1999 and this method isn't gonna work for everyone, but as I've been burned like everyone else, I have switched to this system when ordering a custom from a model who is not extremely well know, very active and I can confirm she's been doing customs without issue recently, as in the past month.

I'll only pay for supplies up front - as in the actual cost. After that...nothing. Then send me the full video, then I pay the balance. If they want references from other models that I do indeed pay, take your pick from the 100's (literally) that I've worked with. If it's a no, I move on. I no longer pay anything upfront from unverified models or anyone that raises a bit of a flag.

It's their time, yes, but it's my money - and my money take precedence over their time. So their worst case scenario is they're out 2 hours of their time. My worst case is I'm out hundreds of bucks. Again, I win, and no one's getting paid upfront unless you do customs for a living and I can verify from other customers that you're legit.

If you're response to this is "then I'd never do a video for you" my response is "no loss....100 others models will, and they'll indeed be paid."

Do not pay a dime upfront unless 100% verified. As for client references where they'd delivered customs within the past month.

Note: Even with the models I have used for years who consistently do customs for me, they get paid same day of the shoot. Why? Because even pro fetish models have issues from time to time - legit ones; family issues, medical, etc...and I don't need hundred tied up for weeks because a model's having an issue. So if you're shooting on the 16th, confirm the morning of the 16th that everyone's on, and I'll pay.

Yes sorry about that should have thought about doing sort of a recap with the update my bad.
And definitely some good points

Great system I have my own based on personal taste and preferences but for my Aubrey was just a slip up from my side

Don't feel bad at all. I switched to this system after getting burned out of $300 by a reputable model who simply flamed out. I didn't catch subtle warning signs, like her last Twitter post was three weeks before I contacted her. Pro fetish models who are on their game tweet every day, several times a day. I didn't ask her for recent custom client references. If I had, that would have saved me $300 since come to find later, she had already burned two other guys before me.