I hate to start new threads, because I never know if Messmaster will think I'm clogging up valuable bandwidth with silly or provocative questions.

But, here's a dilemma that has bugged me for a long time.
Though I'd hardly call it a life-or-death crisis:

Are there women, both wam-specific models or non-wam-specific models or non-models, whom you think are beautiful, but, you just don't get turned on when they get pied?

I am an asking a question inquiring if anyone else has this same "quirk" of fetish-piecology that I do.

I'm not going to name specific names. But, many of the really popular pie producers have a few models who get totally pied & fudged, yet, I'm not turned on for some reason, even though my brain fully recognizes them as extremely beautiful.

Am I the only one with this stupid & annoying piecological quirk?

There is one female producer who has made AWESOME total-facial-coverage-pie videos (of herself), she is beautiful. And, yet, because she looks exactly like a friend of mine whom I would NEVER want to think of in a sexual way (an ex-fiancee of relative of mine), my brain tells my penis: DO NOT GET AROUSED!

Or, is there no such thing as a pretty yet un-pie-able face?

I'm sure this is a VERY specific issue for obvious reasons. "Your mileage may vary," as it were.

Without naming names, there have been models on this site over the years who clearly have a broad fanbase and lots of love from customers. But they don't do anything for me personally. I think we all have people like that. If you can objectively call someone "pretty" even though that person doesn't really turn you on, I suppose that fits your description.

There's 1-2 models I've shot in the past where I'm now good friends with them, and while I clearly liked seeing them pied at the time, now it's just... Weird. Like seeing your sister get pied or something. To the point where I can't even watch the original clips anymore.

Two things I would say:

1) There are a lot of models that appeal to the general public, but not me. It has nothing to do with WAM and everything to do with the idea that sexual attraction is individual and personal. IT's the same for people around me, and famous celebrities. So if Cameron Diaz or Charlize Theron, let's say, even assuming it's 15 years ago, had tried to flirt with me, I would have shut them down hard. It doesn't matter to me how many other people think they are attractive; I don't. There are popular models I'm not into. I just politely keep my mouth shut, because, when it comes to models, the golden rule is truly that if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. If anyone is experiencing confusion about this, figure out what your "type" is, and don't worry about what anyone else thinks. Support those models (on UMD) or women (in your life--not saying models aren't real women, differentiating ways of knowing people) at every turn. Make sure you let them know you appreciate their work.

2) Sometimes, someone can be attractive, but just fail at pie scenes. This is probably because they don't react the way the viewer, in whose mind they are failing at pie scenes, wants to see them react. Again, pie reaction is a bit in the eye of the beholder.

I know you're a thoughtful fellow, and I'll concede that I think it's likely you've already thought about these issues. Edited to add: Oh, yeah, this is kind of what everyone else is saying now, too!

JY: funny, an old acquaintance of mine thought AH was positively UGLY (!) "face like a cow" if I recall....I thought she was bonkers (some cows are very attractive-looking...um...yeah)...ironic too since this woman was what I and others considered "homely" (to be kind)....go figure.

In my limited wam production career, I only ever worked with models that I found personally attractive (including that ineffable something that the brain equates with "sexy")....upon review of the videos (post production), I found that my choices were usually (not always) correct: they looked really sexy pied or not....Tamara Z was perhaps the most unquestionably sexy wam model I've ever worked with (and great personality too, despite her later flakiness) -- followed by Ivy (even though I would say that Tabitha and Brandi were beautiful/super-pretty girls)....and although Tab was both sexy and beautiful, after so long, I don't know if I still find her sexy...I guess the feeling wear offs, so to speak.

Taste, there's no accounting for it.

This is a great thread because I can relate, again I will use what has become the phrase of the tread " Without naming names" There is a very popular model on here who makes a ton of great videos and is very pretty but she looks WAY to similar to my cousin. So for that reason I can not enjoy her videos.

So much of what's already said rings true to me.

In my case, I'm also not a fan of models who "try too hard" - spending so much time hitting UMD over the head with themselves. Also, unlike some I'm actually partial to models who don't need to go out of their way to say how much they love WAM. To me, this just makes it seem like they're trying to butter us up, which in turn leaves me less likely to enjoy seeing them pied no matter how attractive they might be.

Just give me someone who produces or appears in a good scene and lets it speak for itself.

very interesting topic.

It doesn't matter if the girl is beautiful or not. Sometimes a girl that don't exactly fits our modern-ocidental-standards-of-beauty can be much sexier than a gorgeous girl. Doesn't matter if she is dancing, smiling or being pied in the face.

Personally, I like silly, funny, cute, unexpected reactions to pies. I like to see the girl in a vulnerable position before getting pied. But other people prefer "no reaction" or angry reactions.... everyone get aroused by something different. It's something subjective and there is no universal pie reaction formula. (I guess)

I couldn't agree with you more.