Hey all.

So we all (or I assume we all) know that Wet and Messy and Quicksand fetishes are somewhat related. They both involve substances against the skin.

I have some questions for you all. Do you ever fantasize about combining them both? I do, I like the light brown clay scenes because it helps me to imagine that the girl is sinking in something like peanut butter.

My other question is just quicksand fetish related. Do you like the "peril" aspect of it or purely the messy part of it? I like the girls getting worried about getting deeper and stuck in the goo but I do not find the peril aspect of it a turn on.

I guess dunk tanks are as close as we will ever get to combining the two fetishes, unless I win the lottery. If that happens I will be sure to post videos of my girlfriend stepping and sinking into a giant tub of peanut butter or frosting.

(posted pictures were not made by and do not belong to me)

I do confess it's a very difficult thing for me to put my finger on. Everything you said holds true for me but it's even better with the peril aspect thrown in. I can't begin to explain it but hopefully someday the GUF (Grand Unified Fetish) theory will be resolved and we'll get some understanding. I will say that there's a fair level of "misogynistic" behavior as part of my fetish interest. That could be the case with most of us even at the broadest definition of "wamming" a lady. This adds to the irony and possibly the explanation because I'm a complete gentleman and very un-messy in every day life. My mother was fanatic about being a perfectly clean perfect gentleman at all times but I never heard a word about sex. Tell me we aren't dealing with some serious "mommy" issues here.

I abandoned trying to explain it long ago and try to celebrate the pleasure at every opportunity.

Since you asked, I will tell you

The peril part for me is a definite no...everything else about the mud/clothes etc is a yes.

Honestly, I'm not such a fan of the "peril" aspect, much prefer to see the model/actress/whatever enjoying the experience. And with that out of the way, I'll see your Daisy and raise you a Peach by the same artist:

We don't talk about it much here and likely never will but that's an example of all the sub-niches in this niche fetish. It doesn't work for everyone. There are so many pieces to the full quicksand fetish - sinking, envelopment, messy, peril, bondage, stuck, sticky, damsel in distress, struggle, breath holding, dominance, jungle girl, mud, humiliation, drowning, camp, erotic teasing, escape, submission, and on and on that I consider it kind of the king of fetishes.There's a lot of crossover with other interests. Whatever your specific part is and however you like it MPV will be trying to address it.

I too could care less for the peril aspect. The "faking it" stuff is so fake, it isn't enjoyable. I'd prefer to see a gal fully dressed in shoes, tights, skater skirt and blouse, narrating the video as she goes, intentionally dressing up and heading out to find the best mud to play in, messing up her outfit and quite literally getting off as she enjoys the mud. That is MY fantasy.

Unlike many of the people on this link, I actually like the peril aspect more than the mud or messy. The mud adds to the excitement but a female can be stuck under a bed or in a doggie door and it would still playing to my fetish. The mud or quicksand puts it all together though as Duncan said as it combines the stuck aspect of the fetish, with the damsel in distress, sinking, danger and other aspects of peril.

Sure, and that's great but now you're talking about an entirely different fetish. MPV addresses more messy/wammy details on the mud side of the house.

I think that Quicksand content has a lot of appeal to messy fans. That's why we always continue filming and taking pictures well after the 'story' part is done. It's hard to ignore the awesome total coverage you get from immersions. So, I think that there is a lot of WAM interest in the shooting of quicksand content.

But it's not reasonable to expect a typical WAM guy to buy into the peril fantasy rush that quicksand guys get from this content. For example, there is a *large* range of peril content out there - most of which doesn't really appeal to me. But I really do like Mud and Quicksand. Mud is pretty well represented here. Quicksand is also, because it is one of the few areas where peril and WAM intersect.

Even so, I would thoroughly enjoy using messy substances in a Quicksand setting. Peanut butter would be an awesome choice.

I have often considered a sexy take on Land of the Giants - an all-female cast (in various states of dress) being pursued through a 'giant' bakery ....

The Land of the Giants sounds very interesting! Although there were a few nice stuck scenes I can recall, (one of the girls taped to a desk, another stuck in a venus fly trap) there were many missed opportunities as well.

All fetishes share a common origin, usually in early adolescence, but at that point the object of the fetish diverges based upon essentially random chance. Family dynamics and the delay in being allowed to engage in normal sexual relations common to modern industrial societies set up the situation for a fetish to be formed from repetitive fantasization concerning the fetish object reinforced by orgasm. However, selection of the fetish object by a specific subject is random and is simply based on something that caught the subject's attention at the opportune time or that they were predisposed by past experiences to pay attention to..

Fetish behavior occurs primarily in males at a level exceeding 99% as compared to females. Sexual fetish behavior is almost unknown in primitive societies where the transition from adolescence to adult is brief.

Once this is understood, then one realizes that the object has very little importance and that it is rare for a fetish to be exactly the same between individuals. Fetishists tend to associate with other fetishists with interests sufficiently close to theirs so as not to turn them off and these associations are often facilitated by sharing a common movie scene or some such that resulted in selection of the fetish object originally.

There are major categories that folks with a mud and/or quicksand fetish fall into. Some like to see someone covered in mud, the term besmearchers can used to describe them. Others are sinkers and they need to see someone sink in quicksand or mud. Others need a heavy dose of peril or drama for things to work for them. But ultimately, there are just about as many unique fetishes are there are fetishists.

Some fetishists have very narrow interests and would not be open to any combining of fetishes while others have wider interests and enjoy mixing of certain closely related fetishes. And some of the mixed categories are created by historical precedent, for instance, WAM (wet and messy).

WAM originated at least a half a century ago when the first video and photo producers used to rip fetishists off by combining wetlook, food, and mud fetishes in their products such that a fetishist had to buy a magazine or video containing all three to get his specific flavor of whatever. It was found that a lot of fetishists would tolerate the two fetishes they had little interest in to get at the one they were interested in which, in essence, meant that you had to buy three times as much to get the same material compared to if instead you could get only material containing the same amount of material concerning only one festish.

One of the greatest advances in mud fetish video has been that you can now get videos with nothing but mud in them. And even narrower categories involving all sorts of quicksand and mud subcategories. So, combining fetishes is nothing new and the market determines whether a particular combination is economically viable to produce compared to a more narrowly focused product.

Quarryman puts the categories of mud wam so well. I am both a besmearcher & a sinker but have to add to that a sticker which I define as liking the struggle as the subject sinks helplessly into the mud/clay /sand & also a humilater wanting the fetishist to be the object of stares & derision
Just to show I am not sexist in my fetish(s) let it be understood that I like girls,guys & particularly myself to be the object of some-or all - of these categories I have achieved them all for myself but am still looking a sticker or a humiliater to join me lol

I am on the quicksand side and can't say I ever fantasized about ordinary WAM or thought of adding it to my fetish. I was never attracted to the pie fights or the food fights but a good quicksand scene always fascinated me.

But when you finally find that nice, secluded, all-natural and private mudpit that can play the role of quicksand, something always happens: A big mess.

It was surprisingly pleasurable in its own right. It wasn't my core fetish and it wasn't something I expected to enjoy, but a big muddy mess in a bottomless mudpit is just loads of goopy fun! And different mudpits are different. They're sandy, they're clay, they're peaty, they are thick, thin, sloshy, lumpy -- they are all delightful!

When I produced scenes, I always tried to follow a sinking scene with a messy scene since there really isn't much point in doing much else. You may as well just keep the cameras rolling since you already went to the trouble of getting there and submerging, or getting a model there and submerged.

Besides, I have always been aware that some people look askance at us quicksand fetishists because there is indeed a drama/danger/peril aspect and if this isn't your personal fetish-trigger, you might be wondering if the whole thing isn't just a tad dangerous. By filming unscripted, playful, messy scenes after a full submersion, sometimes even jumping back in and re-submerging once or twice more for the sheer joy of it, I was showing the entire world that no matter what this looked like during Part 1, Part 2 demonstrated without doubt that everybody involved was safe and even happy.

And in this sense, I was the happiest model I ever had.

But it would be true that while a good slippery time is fun, the core of my fetish remains quicksand.

Nessie

You know, it's quite odd that I am the way I am! I'm about as straight-edge as they come. I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't do any drugs. I never was into any of that. Yet here I am, as a mud fetishist! As a child I enjoyed playing in mud. As a teen I discovered that I could quickly get a hard-on in the mud! And as an adult I liked the serenity, tactile feeling, and the somewhat perilous feeling about being in the mud. I did experiment with the WAM side a bit (melted marshmallow goo was probably my favourite) but quicksand still ranked as #1.

But, for me, the only reason that I enjoyed any sort of "average" WAM scene was when there was a possibility of being stuck. That fed my closet sub personality. If I would have found a lady back 30 or more years ago that liked the same things as I did, I would probably still be getting pushed under the mud and quicksand on a regular basis, as well as getting sploosed occasionally!

Unfortunately, I'm now getting a little too old to really enjoy it. Aches and pains make extracting oneself from the mire rather unappealing!

I could be accused of plagiarizing your story but mine is so very much the same. Never did anything bad. Never even wanted to. But after some discussion I realize my parents never mentioned so much as the word "sex" in my life. Since that wasn't forbidden outright I guess I had no issues with becoming sexually precocious at an early age. I definitely noticed girls early on and rarely failed to act on a lot of urges and desires that I didn't always understand. Somehow it's all tied together. To this day I live an interesting double life of sorts. Amazing how our very "normal" upbringing has led us to being so "messed up".

Man, do I identify with this. I am as normal and as a conservative professional as you can get, but my addiction to females sinking in quicksand and being stuck in beyond comprehension. It is a second life for me. I can get into this in great depth, but basically I led my normal life while I enjoy and dream about saving a damsel in quicksand. Someday I hope to go for a run and save a poor woman venturing too deep and sinking in the quicksand. I thank quicksandfans for at least giving me an outlet to this fetish.