Hi,

Did anyone heard of Chris and his site? it hasnt been updated in a couple months.. now it looks offline. Hope he`s going to be back soon.. I really liked his 2 girls videos..

I haven't heard from him in awhile either, but his download stores are open.

http://wetandmessymodelsvideos.com

http://wetandmessymodelsadult.com

I have to say I had a very unpleasant experience with this creep ( Chris ) .

His site did look like it had a lot of promise when it first appeared , so I took a shot and paid a newcomer for a custom video . Big Mistake . When I first contacted him , he seemed like a really reasonable person to deal with . After he was paid though , he kept making one excuse after another why he wasn't able to film the video I paid him for .

Eventually , he just stopped answering my e-mails altogether and never refunded my money as he promised . He seems to have completely disappeared . I wonder how many others he ripped off before he vanished ?

Well , I learned my lesson not to trust someone that isn't very well established in the community .

Any producers out there want to make a custom for me ?

Makes great videos, but dude is dodgy as hell.

I tried to warn people but took a lot of flack for it. There are a couple of unpaid models out there as well.

During the summer i used to use craigslist to find models. Tons of models contacted my ads saying that if I was Chris then I was a perve and that I didnt pay my models and was aggressive with them. That I had forced them into posing nude. I was completely shocked. One model went on Craigslist everyday for 2 or 3 months warning everyone that uses the website not to do messy shoots because Chris was a perve, they posted warnings and his number, every single day all summer.

Even now I find it hard to get models I meet on CL to trust me because of this guy. He has made it very difficult for me to do shoots.

I guess that explains why we`re not seing updates anymore.. It does sucks because I havent seen any other producer making videos of girls next door doing messy wrestling wearing every day clothes.. He was spot on.. however Business Ethics left a bigger mess.. Sad to hear it even made it hard for other producers to find models..

Chris is a cretin.

I paid $800 for 2 Cali Logan customs, only to be informed that his camera broke at the end of the shoot, rendering his entire day's work unusable...but I was in luck! If I paid him only a LITTLE MORE MONEY, he'd GUARANTEE me some poorly lit hackwork with models in gym clothes.

I feel oddly relieved that I'm not the only one who got rooked by this thief.

I've said some pretty nice things about Chris in the past based only on the videos he bothered to film and release to the public. But after all the stories I've heard here and elsewhere I have to regret giving a guy like him so much praise.

You HAVE to treat your custom sponsors well every. time. They give you hundreds of dollars up front for your services when, in many cases, they've never even met you face to face. To leave those customers high and dry even once makes you a cretin. I thought Chris was at worst just an awkward fellow with a substandard work ethic. He wishes he were that respectable now.

But there are honest hard-working custom producers out there. See Noise (who to his credit warned us about him months ago) or PieFightGirls. They'll treat you well.

Wow. What a pile-on! I have to say that I always kept Chris at arm's length because his grammar and spelling were those of a sixth-grader old. I'd never give custom money to someone who couldn't compose a proper sentence. I run into people who shrug that off in this era of text-speak, but it still matters.

You're absolutely right. That's the exact reason I never asked him for a custom even though I was tempted to on several occasions. If you can't handle elementary grammar you can't handle a business.

Er, you'll notice in my post above -- the one where I criticize someone else's speling and gramar -- that there's an editing error. Sigh.

Point is you

A. Try.

B. Can.

C. Communicate clearly even with mistakes.





I will do customs, but only customs within the parameters I work in already and I'm confident I can do a great job with.

Feel free to contact me, just be aware if I will be clear if it's not something I can do or if it's something I know I can't do to the standard I'm happy taking your hard earned cash for.

If you would like a reference, Gness had quit a big one done recently and I'm sure he will let you know how his experience was if you contact him.

I wish I could have gotten his early Kym/Cali cake-sitting sets. A few months ago I did see the same kitchen under a different adult site label, I think it was Russian.

I never dealt with Chris, but I'm not above making stuff up.....

When I was 7, he stole the proceeds from my lemonade stand, and then touched my grandfathers bum.

I remember his camera died, no reason you can't get the drive out of a camera though.




Quote of the year right there.

I'm hearing more and more people telling me about producers that don't even get the basics of running a production business... equipment, backing up and so on. It's a little heartbreaking for the rest of us that get tarred with the same brushes.

I don't think they are talking about my site. wetandmessy.com You can join and find all the Kym/Cali cake sitting. 5 years and I've never missed a weekly update...my reputation is solid.

....now about this russian site with my pictures on it?

~david