I would like to remind all users that trading copyrighted clips by WAM producers is illegal and against umd terms of service. It has a detrimental effect on producers and the whole community and will NOT be tolerated on this site.

So far this evening I have found the following messages from umd users:

From ChocolateCreamPie:



From Jay 31:



From Aprilla Racer:


These users accounts are now being closely monitored by the moderators and any further attempt to trade copyrighted clips will result in them being banned from the umd.

 

To clarify: that's trading clips copyrighted by WAM producers. Trading clips copyrighted by big TV studios is A-OK.

Yes anything off tv etc is fine good point, will amend thread.

 

Sent to LiberatorWAM:

From gungemepieme



and now I find this:

from gungemepieme



This user will now be removed and banned from UMD for life.

 

You mods do a great job on here



Hugs from Sophie x x x

 

Ummmm.... by law, pretty much all TV has copyright attached. We may need to use words carefully.

I would say...


Trading images and videos you made or actually own is absolutely positively encouraged. Trading TV clips or shows... that's your own responsibility to make sure what you are doing isn't a breach of copyright - the mods can't check everything.

 

Disallowing sharing of clips from TV shows would be a major change in the way this forum works.

Seconded. Very few WAM producers actually make money, most barely cover their costs, some only do it for the love of WAM because they are WAMmers themselves. Every time someone "trades" "swaps" or otherwise passes along a producer's work, they are hurting the entire community by reducing that producer's income. And WAM producers don't have a WPAA or BWI to buy politicians and dictate policy like Hollywood does. Though from the breadth and depth of detailed posting on the SOPA thread, many of us would do a far better job of it than the idiots who invented SOPA managed.

On the TV issue, does anyone actually trade TV clips these days? Pretty much every clip from every TV show ever made is on YouTube, and while that might or might not be infringement of copyright, that's between the TV studios, YouTube, and the users who upload the clips. TV studios and movie studios have hotlines to YouTube, if they wanted those clips pulled, they'd be gone in minutes. Us WAM producers don't have that kind of clout.

 

I don't think that is the case, though...is it? I've bought plenty of muddy movies on line...own them fair and square. But you still don't want me trading them on here - correct?

It's fine, if you bought the copyrights to it too, but if you just bought the clip then No you can't. If you make a clip you own the copyright too and that's fine to distribute how you like.

It's funny. yay for double standards.

You can trade this copyrighted material, but not this copyrighted material. If its copyrighted material from people we care about, then no. But big tv producers, wth, rip them off, who cares.

Fyi, I will always support the local producers. But as said earlier, most of the larger copyright material is on youtube anyways, just get it there. If it's from our community, please try to support it. It's a niche market, we all know that.

No. You purchased a copy of the muddy movies.

 

It's not really a double standard. I disagree with much of the concept of IP, but I understand the position of the moderators in that there is really no potential for lost revenue in posting TV shows or movies. UMD is like a craft union: its interest is to protect its members, not the whole of content producers.

I don't know... do a lot of people actually share clips by sending the files to each other, or are we talking about linking to a youtube video?

A YouTube video I believe is YouTubes responsibility, you sending a copy of a TV show to someone else is yours*.


*I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV.

 

That's a sharp observation.

 

Content from TV is copyrighted, too. If you post content from TV, it is your responsibility to obtain the right to post it here. If you post content here from TV, we will assume you have the permission to do so. If we get a complaint, we will take it down.

We take a more proactive approach to content that was created by our wam producers. I have made a personal promise to wam producers that we won't allow their content to be posted here by anyone but them, and if we see it, we'll take it down, even without receiving a complaint.

Messmaster

 

It's not really double standards in my opinion. For instance if someone uploads a clip of a gameshow off tv. The company that have made that programme have already been paid by the broadcaster to make it. By having it on youtube or shared in some other way doesn't cause the production company to lose money.
It does however have detrimental effects on producers here though if their content is shared. A producer will be relying on the sales to recover the costs of making a video.

 

Unfortunately, as we've seen all too often, Hollywood would beg to differ. They assume that anyone who 'pirates' would have obviously purchased the show in some other medium if it wasn't available for free. We all know that not to be the case, but that's where the lawsuits and crap like SOPA and PIPA come from.

From dictionary.com: double standard- a set of principles that allows greater freedom to one person or group than to another.

Here we are allowing greater freedom to the special niche content producers, than we are to corporate producers. And assuming that one has obtained the copyright, and waiting for a complaint by a person who claims to actually own it, while simultaneously enforcing a policy of automatically removing videos from the small niche producers is the epitome of a double standard.

I don't know whether I'm arguing with the policy, or just arguing for the sake of arguing with someone on the internet, so please feel free to disregard. Most likely it's the second option. I will support those who sell videos on here or elsewhere regardless.

And overall, I agree with the statement that the mods do a great job overall on this site.

YouTube lately has been suspending alot of Wam material and even shutting down producers channels on their if they get a whiff of something they don't like then who ever uploaded it gets their account closed . I know a girl who does some wet stuff and she uploads to YouTube and YouTube has threaten to shut her channel down soon

I wonder how much of this could pass a fair use test. If I wrote a brief post explaining how thoroughly wankable the mud wrestling scene in STRIPES is, and then linked to or uploaded just that scene, then I could legitimately argue that's not a violation of copyright.