I would like to start a discussion about the Comeuppance factor. Is it more alluring to you to see a buildup throughout an episode or series of where an actress for example always avoids the pie or the bucket of water on top of the door only to get the payoff in the end? Basically, being the one to set up these things to happen to other people only to get their "just desserts" in the final act.

Does the buildup heighten the experience when the end result of her comeuppance happens?

Or in a "You Can't Do That On TV" world where there is a certain phrase that will bring down gunk on anyone. Say that there was 24 episodes of this show ordered and throughout the first 23, Maria, a stunning 23 year old actress always avoided saying those words but for the most part was heavily involved in tricking the other cast members into getting soaked, creamed, whatever. On the 24th episode, Maria gets her comeuppance.

Is this most alluring to you or do you not care one way or the other?

Just curious.

For me it depends on how contrived it is. If it's clearly someone avoiding it out of nothing other than a 'bubble' of "don't do this, we want to build it up" it just comes across as false. It also depends on how many people you have in the mix. Think of it like the shell/cup game with the ball, you keep mixing it up and you lose track of who got what when.

So comeuppance as a result of some revenge plotting works. Having that person lost in the shuffle and missing the "fun" also works. But to have them there and magically not getting hit week after week just strains it for me and most of the time I'll lose interest. If they're constantly winning through skill or ability though, and you know they're probably going to eventually lose, especially where the scale of the loss is growing is where it works for me.

By that measure though, most of the planetary banking sector should be at the bottom of a pool of custard the size and depth of the Black Sea

An example of this is the legendary pie fight in "The Great Race". Throughout the pie fight, Tony Curtis' character The Great Leslie strolls through the chaos without getting so much as a drop of cream on his white outfit (indeed, director Blake Edwards would stop shooting to change Curtis' outfit if anything *did* get on it accidentally) ... making it that much sweeter when Leslie gets the final pie of the battle (and from his sweetheart, no less).

This can be a strong factor for me. Yet it rarely actually is because it would take a gifted actress to hit her mark, know it was coming, actually be cool with the whole experience, yet effectively portray the emotions of haughtiness transformed into humiliation. I suppose there is still some appeal to scenarios where one of several participants escapes mess until the finale unfolds. It is the other side of the coin relative to scenarios where, among several participants, one individual winds up enduring >50% of the mess as an unrelenting barrage. Truth be told though, barring a superbly realistic performance, mess distribution and timing matters much less to me than the aesthetics of transformation -- how conventionally elegant/hot women look in the beginning and how utterly ruined their looks become by scene's end.

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Works get for me, especially when the comeuppance is well deserved, combined with snootiness, bondage and pantyfilling.

Yeah, the comeuppance factor (I usually refer to it as the just desserts factor, can't resist) is for me, the best scenario in WAM. One girl delivering all the mess to one or more other people while staying clean (so long as the just desserts are delivered in the end) is awesome. The notion of the clean girl tricking the others into getting it is even better.

This is the big draw of co-ed scenes for me (though this works with either gender, the mood is different and sometimes better when the girl is tricking/enjoying messing a guy rather than a girl (again, assuming justice will eventually be served). I'm not big on the humiliation aspect of WAM without a sense of it being deserved.

As a female wammer, I can honestly say that I love the idea of the comeuppance factor! I would really, really enjoy it if that could happen to me!! Thanks for sharing the concept