I am posting a pic on here and I wish for all those who enjoy seeing pix like this to state on this page as the administrator and a few others seem to say that the messy forum should not allow photos of men ( clothed) on this forum. I'm sorry but where does it state female pix only and I'm sure that originally the male wam forum was set up for naked male wam!
All those who think this is discriminating towards men who also enjoy messy session and like to share thier experiences / photos with all please state below as I have to admit I myself very rarely go to male wam page as it isn't just messy it is a mixture of everything and wet definately does nothing for me.


Will be posting pics on here tomorrow night as phone won't let me download

The topic of male pics on the messy forum has been debated back and forth for many years. If the pics are co-ed, then feel free to post them on this forum. If the pics are of males only, then there is a separate forum for those images to be posted.

I thought this issue was resolved, but it seams that it isn't. Help me out, members. Enlighten Sandra for me because I'm weary of rehashing this for the billionth time.

midniter

I think it's safe to say that this post is aimed at me for moving a post that Sandra made last week on this forum, using Daz's login. I moved the post to the Male forum because it was inappropriate for this forum.
Judge for yourself... http://umd.net/forums/bank_hols_mud_session_in_essex
Daz and Sandra are pissed at me for moving it to the male forum. Was I wrong? Should I have left this post that's contains only male images in this forum, which is wrong or should I have moved it to the Male forum, which is right?

irispective of any opinion it was the correct thing to do because it had already been decided by a members debate some time ago and as Mods we are here to enforce the rules not make them up. the question here is not if Middy was wrong, he wasn't. Moving the pics was the correct thing to do. If you wish to have a debate concerning the forums members opinion of the rule that is a different matter

I don't think that male pics should be in the other categories.

If anything, there should be a complete change of the system. It's very understandable to see why an inexperienced user might think that a man getting messy could equally belong in either the Messy forum or the Male Wam forum.

I'd suggest renaming these forums to make it more clear that female content belongs in them, e.g. something like "Messy Female Forum".

Alternatively, make the rules on where everything should be posted more public. Perhaps putting them on the UMD homepage or putting a sticky thread at the top of every forum saying "RULES ON POSTING - READ THIS BEFORE CREATING A THREAD".

Although I have only been a UMD member for a short time, I thought it was patently clear that the messy forum was for females only. If I wanted to post photos of myself, I would do so on the male wam forum. To me it seems all very simple.

If posts or pics can be placed anywhere ... then surely the male wam forum becomes entirely redundant

So..... let's have another long, drawn out debate over a topic that had previously been settled. Sandra and her hubby obviously feel that it is there right to post pics wherever they feel like on this site, irregardless of what has been previously debated and concluded.

**retrieves his dead horse flogger**

In the past, the UMD administration had no qualms with pics of either gender being posted in the Messy forum. But after years of complaints from extremists that were horrified at seeing cocks in a forum that should only feature vagina's, the site owner bowed to public opinion and created a separate forum for male images in an effort to please the masses.

What Sandra is trying to say is that we should reverse this decision to make her and her hubby happy. Well... news flash.. we can't please everyone.

So.. do we allow allow male pics back on the messy forum and piss off the cock hating extremists or do we abolish the male forum to make Sandra and Daz happy?

Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass either way. What pisses me off is that we have to have this debate all over again because someone was upset at me for moving their post into the proper category. Quite frankly, I'm not eager to deal with the backlash from UMD members because one couple wants to re-write the UMD rules. Sandra and Daz... you can bitch all you want, but I really can't see Messmaster creating a:
Female Messy
Male Messy
UK Female messy
UK Male messy
US Female messy
US Male messy
UK Female wetlook
UK Male wetlook
US Female wetlook
US Male wetlook
Non UK/US female messy
Non UK/US male messy
Non UK female wetlook
Non UK/US male wetlook
etc
etc
etc
category because you're upset at ME for moving your errant forum post that YOU should have posted in the correct forum in the first place.

You fucked up by posting in the wrong forum and you're bitching at me for correcting you. Why do you feel compelled to rock the boat and stir up trouble?

midniter

I fully support Middy for moving the post.

The entire photoset was Male only. It belongs in the Male Wam forum.

It does NOT matter WHO posts it. It DOES matter what is IN the photos.

I agree with the following two axioms:

1. If the subject in the photos is male only, it belongs in the Male Wam forum.

2. If the subject in the photos is female, or co-ed (male + female) participating in the same event, then it goes in the messy forum.

Got it in one very simple

sorry if i wanted to look at messy guys i wold go to the male section.

Mid- I wasn't bitching I was just stating that dazuk pictures were not of a sexual nature and did not show ' cock ' as u like to put it. The were purely messy pictures that we wish to share with fellow wammers and lovers of mud!
Also I wish to state I didn't use dazuk log in to post the last pics he managed that himself and I was going to add some of me to it later.
This site is very petty and if it wasn't for all the f**kin yanks there would never have been a prob with picture posting of either sex.
I will no longer be wasting my time Posting pictures on here as I do not wish to participate in further conversations like this in the future.
Thanks

exactly....

What a stupid comment to make. Before making assinine general statements like that, why don't you check your history and understand that many of us 'f**kin yanks' (especially me) have been a great defender of male WAM and at numerous times, have chastized the homo-phobic rants by people who see men pied on the messy forum.

However, Messmaster made it pretty clear that men and women are okay here; strictly men in the Male forum. Easy rules to remember. Middy was absolutely correct in moving it to the Male forum.

Less idiots in 2011!


SCGuy

Good point, SCG.
And I'm a "fuckin yank" who posts frequently in the male wam forum, so does that make it ok for me to call you a stupid cow?

ok I've been stewing over this for a while but I am going to say it. I am absolutely fed up with all the back biting, bitching, name calling, complianing and general attitude that has come to infect these forums
Firstly it is pretty ignorant off anyone to suggest that a person’s race or origin makes them a certain way, that's how wars start, every country has it's idiots and every country has it's heroes and to be classified with such broad sweeping generalisations is just plain stupid.
Personally I am at the end of my tether and it's not fighting the bad guys, that’s actually quite enjoyable it's trying to sort out the supposed good guys here the endless problems wit producers trying to pull dirty tricks, using fake account, producers posting as models (Posing) producers starting shit storms deliberately or even just generally bitching about the forum and its members, the forums and it's members that bring in the majority of their sales that is. Then you have the standard members bitching and moaning about petty things like this, bitching about other members, trying to get one over on each other it just goes on and on and on. I remember a time when UMD and the chat room had descended into chaos and no one could use it for the flood of trolls and posers.
When I act as a Mod it is because I believe in this place as a community and because I believe in the principals of honesty and decency two things that can be maintained with the fetish of WAM they do not contradict.
I can tell you for nothing that if this continues everyone will end up losing, I know times are tough for a lot of us, I know times are stress full but if we continue this way we will all end up losing, they'll be no winners and to be honest I myself am wondering if it is even worth continuing, I have my wife and I have my life why should I bother putting any effort into trying to keep this a decent safe place when its own members are setting about destroying it from within

could one of the moderators please delete this post as now thanks to midniter it has got out of control i was stating my opinion on the posting of male pix in the messy forum and as usual i was slagged off by midniter.
I would like to thank all those who personally msg'd me agreeing with my opinion on the posting of male pictures, and i would like to appologise to all "yanks" that are true supporters but it is those who are not that spoil it for others.

good luck with ya wamming guys, i will post on here once i have set up my own wamming site............should i figure out that one lol

Sure.. I'm the bad guy in all this.
but...
I'm not the one that knowingly posted images to the wrong forum.
I'm not the one that created a public opinion Poll, knowing the issue was moot.
I'm not the one that insulted our American members.
and I'm not the one that now wants it to all go away because I was trying to change UMD policy.


No, it wasn't. It was set up for male images.. period. Whether they are naked, clothed , crossdressed or anything else. I guess you just formed your own opinion about this which was, unfortunately, wrong. So please don't take it out on me because you got some notion in your head.

Sure, you're going to have a small handful of supporters, but I can guarantee you that if Messmaster was to delete the Male forum and merge the images, as well as new posts back on the Messy forum, there really would be a massive outcry.

If you'd like to look at this from a different perspective, the Male forum was also created for organizational reasons, as already stated by 2 members in this thread. Keeping all the Male pics in their own forum means that our members don't have to waste their time sifting through post after post on the Messy forum looking for those specific type of images. They're all kept in one, easy to find, location.

midniter

I have no problem with male wam, but I really think the male wam should be seperate, especially male on male or hoomosexual wam". I have no problem with it being on the site, but I have no interest in seeing it.

Also, if there were an easier way to tell if a user is male or female, bi-male, bifemale, homosexual male, homosexual female, etc. I think it would be really helpful. I hate emailing someone thinking they are one way only to find out they are another. Some are just so good at looking one way too (kind of a compliment, but still) I'm not trying to be descriminitive, I just think it would help everyone enjoy the site more the way they want to.

I hope I didn't offend anyone and that my views and opinions will be respected, since I respect everyone elses interests and thoughts back.

How about race? I hate emailing someone who I think is white and it turns out they're blacker than OJ.