As the title says, I'm pondering taking a stab at producing WAM content. Not as a cheap path to riches (from what I've heard, there isn't a whole lot to be made in WAM by the average producer), but because WAM is an interest I've had since childhood, and I'd like to finally get off the sidelines and participate.

An idea ocurred to me for a business model that I don't believe I've seen before. Imagine presenting the model for an upcoming shoot, then inviting people on the forums to "buy" substances to mess her up with. People post about what they'd like to see, and a quote is offered to them. Sort of like a custom shoot, but far cheaper and with greater participation. Since multiple users could add what they want, such shoots could end up very, very messy--a win-win for everyone, right? Everyone who payed for a substance to be used would then receive a download code for the video, which would be reasonably priced for everyone else.

As an example, say the cost of a pie for the model is $5. The pie can be of any flavor, delivered anywhere (and in any manner) requested. A bucket of slime comes at $10, and again will be employed in the color and manner of the client's choosing. Spaghetti-O's, peanuy butter, marshmallow fluff and other canned foods are available at the cost of the product itself. Basically, such a model allows any user with some spare cash to "remotely slop" a beautiful model, as well as benefit from seeing all the mess requested by other users. So for a few dollars (the price of most content, in my expetience) a user gets a brief custom shoot and a very messy video. As an added bonus, I'd be able to produce extremely sloppy content, while saving on materials! It seems to me that everyone would benefit.

I'd imagine to employ such a payment model suspicion-free, I'd have to build up some community rapport by producing some regular videos first. I'm fine with this, but I'm very curious to hear other producers' thoughts on this idea.

Assuming this is a great idea (and I don't know that it is, hence why I'm requesting feedback), I'm aware that openly posting it allows for it to be "stolen." While I certainly wouldn't mind being the first innovator to employ such an idea, I'm not going to pitch a fit if I see anyone else using it—if someone else of more ambitious nature can make it work better than I could, isn't that a net plus for the community?

As an addendum, I'd like to note that I live in San Francisco, and would welcome any aspiring producers local to the Bay Area to get in touch. Perhaps we could pool resources/ideas and collaborate together.

First off, no such thing as a stolen idea - just the first person to ship. There are no truly original ideas out there.

This one... I have heard a couple of times before as a suggestion but no one has shipped.

That begs the question... why not?

Well, I'm not looking to shit on your idea. Just give a practical look over.

The reason it hasn't been done yet is pretty much cost and effort.

That would take a lot of time, a lot of organization and a lot of lining your ducks up in a row.

If you have never shot a messy video, I would recommend doing a few first so you know what you are getting yourself into. It's not as easy as it sounds or looks, then look at this again. Even harder to do well.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I can't imagine it being that much more difficult to pull off than regular shoots—at it's core, it just involves taking some "suggestions" from people, then employimg them, right? Paypal takes care of the rest.

Nontheless, I see the wisdom in what you're saying. I've never even done a regular shoot, so it certainly is possible—likely even, considering you're saying others have suggested this and never done it—that I'm lacking in perspective. Still, I'm very fond of this idea, and as I said from the start, doing some regular shoots is definitely my first step.

Once again, I appreciate hearing your perspective on it, and would love to hear from others too.

Sure. Just like at it's core, writing a computer program is just a little math and employing some code, the computer does the rest, right?

I really don't want to rain on your parade, but there are things will need to take into account.

1. Paypal gets a whiff of adult, and they will freeze the account and you probably won't see the money.

2. Taking peoples suggestions are not so easy. You have a human on the receiving end.
Say you get 5 people. One wants a bucket of methyl cellulose slime... well. You have to track down, pay for and figure out how to make a good slime from it.

Say your second wants her to take a strawberry cream pie. The third some eggs. Well, how does your model feel about raw eggs?

Pretty good I hope, because guy number three wants baked beans. You now need a model that doesn't puke mixing sweet and savory.

I have seen a camera man puke after the smell of that. If the girl underneath it all does, she may not make the bathroom, let alone the rest of your shoot.


So, if you can't find a model that can deal with that... you are going to have to break it up into two videos. You are going to need ten people kicking cash in. (Ten is an arbitrary number - cost of a shoot is variable as well as what you want to make or how much you want to offset from your pay to play customers).

That's just a quick example of a couple of hazards off the top of my head, I'm sure you will face more.

If you can deal with it, awesome... go for it. I just wouldn't wander in without a lot of planning and room for problems... I would start with figuring where, with access to showers and somewhere to dispose of waste... and think about the clean up first!


I'm glad you are planning a normal shoot or two before going for it, the perspective will be invaluable.

If you want any advice, feel free to hit me up.

One of the main issues you will have is models are very picky some would not even get their hair or face messy let alone random items being chucked on them

I think that will be your main issues with all all the other problems you will face like getting interest and the other thing noise mentioned i don't think it could ever be a practical set up ???

Regarding your first point, Gooeygirls, I wouldn't even consider getting into production if I didn't already have some ladyfriends willing to model for me. For whatever reason, the friends I tend to attract are very free-spirited, open-mindeded sorts, certainly not the type to balk at getting their faces messy. I even have a close friend who does amateur modeling, and is more than happy to model for me free of charge, simply because it sounds like a fun experience to her. It's great because this way, I can test the proverbial waters by filming her—and get some experience in the technical aspects of shooting WAM—without requiring much of a financial investment.

I'd imagine that the producers on this forum are very skeptical of posts like mine—you must get a lot of people who think they have amazing ideas and see WAM as an easy way to make some money (and indulge in their fetish) who never actually end up producing a video, once they become aware of just how much work is involved. Maybe that will end up describing me; I can't say for certain. But I do already have some very attractive friends willing to let me film them; I think my next step will be to poll the UMD's general public and figure out what people seem to enjoy best, then film it to the best of my abilities. While I still remain very fond of my "pay per pie" idea, I never intended to just jump
right into it from the beginning. This post was largely just to get some perspective on it and see if it was feasible—I'm still convinced it is, though you've both convinced me that it's much more complex than I'd originally considered.

(Although for the record Noise, it had always been my intention to have separate request-threads and shoots for sweet vs savory. Or even starting out filming sweet only, since it seems more popular overall—not to mention more
enjoyable for the average model.)

In the interest of not starting a new thread, if anyone has some general words of advice and wisdom about production (of traditional content, not the PPP idea as it's already been addressed), I'd be very thankful to hear it. I've always done my best to be as realistic in my views/expectations as possible, but Noise has shown me that no matter how much thought & research one puts in beforehand, there will always be something they overlook. Willing model or not, I'd rather my first shoot not be a disaster, so besides the obvious (minimizing ground splatter, easy-to-clean location, nearby showers, etc), I would be much obliged for any insights into some of the most commonly-overlooked aspects of production.

Hi

I've thought about this overnight and the very best thing to do first is shoot what makes you happy, what you like to see, that way it will be fun, give you confidence and give your potential customers a taste of whats expected from you.

As for your idea in theory it sounds great and I don't want to put you off but other problems you may come up againest are....

If people are paying in advance I imagine most of them are gonna want their substance as the "virgin" shot.. eg) Pies are all about facial reactions and coverage and if you've already poured several buckets of stuff over the model then those reactions will be somewhat lost.

Also there is a very big divide between nudity, underwear, fully clothed, what kinds of clothes..etc... and finding 10-20 customers who all want the same thing might be a challenge...

Good luck though and if you stick to my original comment it'll be great whatever!

LisaMoomin

Paying for food is easy, compared to paying for the model's time. If you find any local girls who work cheap, message me

Hi. I thought I would put my thoughts in the pot.

I actually have a finished website already here for me, on a theme nearly exactly the same as this (Steve wrote the program for me)..
But... I worked out that it just will not make any money.
If people pay for what they want to see.... as it has been mentioned, its going to have to be over a clean girl and just for them.
Basically, its a custom shoot website.

So, my lovely and brilliant website that I have here will probably never see the light of day

Tara xx

I don't know about that. It cost almost $250 to fill a bathtub up with custard!

True, but the custard rarely flakes on you at the last minute. Of course, I've had substance go bad while waiting for a model too, I guess life is just uncertain.

The issue I see with this business model is that for all of it's novelty and uniqueness, in the end you'll have a WAM concept which is "designed by committee"

The biggest disadvantage I see with this is, you'll be depending on group participation to make it work and therein lies it's problem. As I see it, to make it cost effective, you'll need a lot of participation, not an easy task, and of those who participate, they are all going have to generally agree with each other. But even if you can get your WAM customers in a row, the final result may still not satisfy them.

The proven business model seems to be what Leon has suggested. Do what you love first and then market it to like minded people.

EdR

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