I came to WAM late in life. Although I have been 'turned on' by slapstick for as long as I can remember, it was only in my 50s that I started to enjoy self indulgence in general messiness and some years after that found that I could engage a young lady to perform with me in a mutually messy session. After 10+ years of fun I started to worry if I was getting too old and probably embarrassing to the young lady. Now that I've turned 70 I feel that my active WAM days are over, although I feel as fit as I ever did. I wonder what the coroner would think as he scraped the custard, etc. off me to perform an autopsy? What do you think? Should I splosh 'til I die or give it up gracefully?
Richard, it sounds like when you engage in wam you're doing it with younger ladies, rather than gals your own age? Either way, it's nice to know I'll still be into this when I'm 70. Or ... maybe "nice" isn't the word.
This has been an enlightening discussion. It sounds as if some of you view age and beauty as separate ideas. (And people I know outside of a wam context say the same thing.) For me, they're very much linked -- I might find a woman attractive at 25 but not 40, or at 40 but not 25. (The latter is less common, frankly, but I think Jennifer Beals and Marisa Tomei are sexier now than they were in the '80s.)
Sadly, I can't say that any women over 50 have ever struck me as sexy -- maybe "beautiful" in an unerotic sense, but not sexually attractive. I wonder whether that will change as the gap between my present age and 50 narrows.
sotonude said:What do you think? Should I splosh 'til I die or give it up gracefully?
Richard (aka 'sotonude'.)
Well, I don't know you personally, but if you feel completely fit and you're getting around just great, I'd keep going if I were you.
If it is actually unsafe, you should stop, but it is highly likely that you wouldn't be having much fun long before it gets to that point. You'd be straining to do things, and you'd be totally tired-out by it. Your partner (who is also 70) will say, "Pour that bucket all over me!" and your arms will be quivering from the weight.
Our bodies have a built-in protection system to keep us from doing stupid things. It's called "pain"! Listen to your body. It knows when things are fun and when they're not.
If people have medical problems or haven't kept themselves in shape, 70 can be very old, but for others, 70 is, well, slower than 50 was, which was slower than 30 was, but it can still be pretty good.
Think of it this way: You won't go to your deathbed saying to yourself, "Oh, gee, I wish I just had not had so much fun...I should have skipped some of it."
For me, the attractiveness of a WAM model is almost entirely related to her enthusiasm.
Someone who is clearly really enjoying herself having fun with mess is what matters. The "ohh, this is actually quite nice" as a litre of custard slips into her own trousers, or the all-out glee as she pours a litre into another model's dress, knowing full well the other girl will get her own back all too soon - that's what makes a WAM scene.
I've worked with models from 18 to 40+, and the one thing all of them had in common was that they enjoyed the shoots. I shot one scene with two models, one 35+, one 22, taking turns to fill each others' clothes. The younger lass actually has a WAM fetish herself, the older one doesn't but absolutely loves to be gunged just for the pure fun of it, the messier the better. That scene for me pretty much sums up what WAM should be about. With me, in WAM it's a case of "if they're not giggling like crazy, you're doing it wrong".
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Well, there is a "wam goggles" factor akin to the "beer goggles" phenomenon.
I've seen plenty of women who I wouldn't consider attractive "dry" jump into a mud pit, wrestle energetically, and then emerge completely covered ... leaving me thinking, yes, I would indeed do her.
Until she showers off.
And I guess that applies to age: The "scream queen" I mentioned in the first post would be too old for me under most circumstances, but if I could get her to mud wrestle, then ... BOIOIOIOIOIOIOIONNNNGGGG!
Loch_Ness said:Our bodies have a built-in protection system to keep us from doing stupid things.
But our brains don't. Actually, the pain thing IS the brain. But the stupid center of the brain overrides it.
Actually, I guess I do have to change what I said.
Pain will stop most people from doing stupid PHYSICAL stunts. Like, unless you're insane like Evel Knievel was, most people are stopped from jumping over 20 cars on a motorcycle because they fear the pain of broken bones should they miss.
That was the kind of thing I meant.
The brain's pain center is surprisingly quiet, though, about things that really matter. It doesn't warn you when you charge too much on your credit card and then don't pay it and the interest piles up. It should be screaming when people do stupid stuff like that, but it really doesn't go off at all...that must be the work of the stupid center that you just mentioned taking over.
Hey, as a woman ages she becomes more respectable, and thus more fun to mess up. I mean, it's not that much of a surprise when girls have a custard fight; it's the sort of thing young people do. But an older woman? She'd be far too respectable for that, so it's that much more fun if she does.
Getting messy also has elements of regression to childhood for me, and contrasts are a big turn-on, too. The older you are, the further you can regress; big contrast, all those years falling away is really sexy.
Nessie, you're one of the cleverest wammers. I loved your pictures of your doll in the mud; pure genius, made me ask myself lots of questions...
But it's not that Mrs. Bee is an "older woman," it's that she's classy. Big difference! Although I agree that the classy thing is part of her appeal -- I can never quite believe I get to see her naked!
So, Mrs. Bee, what about guys ... are you open to the whole range, 20 to 90???
Uh, no. I'm not. 20 is cool, but I think 90 may be pushing it! For women, too. There are younger guys that I find attractive, of course. But I like & prefer older men. which is something that I think I "grew" into. I feel that age is relative. Have you seen how good Kevin Bacon looks for his age??? Must be all that yoga!
I don't know that there is a definitive cutoff, is what I'm trying, probably unsuccessfully, to convey.
Hey I'm pushing 80 and I know you're attracted to me!
It must be all that shaving cream that's keeping my appearance so youthful!
Many younger men as well as the older men here and in our sites prefer the over thirty milfs and I have absolutely no trouble turning up the heat on or off the set.... turning it down is the tough part. :pied: Dance with me, you BEAST 52 & still WAMMING...
Hmmm. Totally dependent on the individual, I think. I'd love for uncle H to trot Mel out in this thread to show how little age can matteras far as a woman (not a girl) being HOTTT .But yea, eventually its time to hang up the camcorder, but never the pies and plastic...
Regisblb said: Richard, it sounds like when you engage in wam you're doing it with younger ladies, rather than gals your own age? Either way, it's nice to know I'll still be into this when I'm 70. Or ... maybe "nice" isn't the word. Sadly, I can't say that any women over 50 have ever struck me as sexy -- maybe "beautiful" in an unerotic sense, but not sexually attractive. I wonder whether that will change as the gap between my present age and 50 narrows.
I feel that I must come back if only to apologise to Regisblb for hijacking a thread on older ladies to sound off the opinions of an old man. Actually, almost all the ladies I've sploshed with have been in the 'milf' range, including some of the big names of british wam. As several other posters have said, the more mature the sexier. An older woman is likely to have been round the block a few times and gained more experience than a youngster. Certainly a girl/woman in her twenties is likely to be more aesthetically pleasing than someone with a few wrinkles but age wins every time for me!