hi guys, lurker decloaking for a bit because I have a question to pose to the community. I've been talking to this girl on youtube for a few months trying to get her to make a pie video. She's a model and 19 years old and a pretty cool girl. I wouldnt approach little children like some people do. I gotta admit that I do kind of feel weird about it though because I never told her about why I want her to do this.

So after about 3 months of going back and forth she finally agrees to do it and actually does it! It was pretty awesome, too. what is even cooler is I asked/dared her to take a dozen pies in her face, even made a skit about beauty products which i thought was kind of funny. she really got into it and it was pretty funny, she had hilarious reactions. She followed the 'script' but only used about 8 pies... so she did it again! She sent me a second video and this time she ran out after 10 and was pretty covered. Shes asking me if I want her to make a third video so she can finish the skit but Im starting to feel guilty. do I continue?

also, Ive been having her upload them to me privately. should i get her to make them public?? I am worried that people will make rude comments. what should I do?

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Good topic for a thread. I think there are lot of guys here who do the same thing you did in one form or another. Many of them call themselves producers. So to that end, you're not really doing something out of the ordinary. I don't even think you did anything bad. It just depends on the "context" of the requests:

What I'm more concerned with is how you talked to this lady. If you were at least kind and respectful during your conversations, then that's something to at least hang your hat on. If you were rude, earnest, and came across as coaxing her, that would be wrong. But judging by the fact that a) she's still talking to you and b) she's willing to do a THIRD video, it looks like you at least handled yourself like a decent human.

And I'm sure you know how the youtube types act. Decent humanity is not easy to find there.

She seems to be comfortable (you have to be pretty damn comfortable to be sending private youtubes to people over the internet), you seem to have some emotional balance, have fun.

Oh, and you probably shouldn't make the videos public. Again, you know how youtubers are. But if you do ask her to make them public, for the love of god: TELL HER TO BLOCK THE POSTING OF COMMENTS!

Its ultimately up to her if she wants them made public, I would tell her about the WAM community and UMD and let her make her own mind up...

Within the UMD, moderation creates a relative safe haven. This does not provide perfect protection from every jerk inclined to post a hostile or otherwise idiotic remark. However, it does mean that the general tone is likely to be well above Internet norms. Outside the UMD, it would probably be best only to share such videos in situations where comments and other forms of contact are simply not possible. Even if there were not a great many random asshats out there, the small number of egomaniacal imbeciles we already know about would be likely to create a nasty environment.

Whether the plan is to use this community or some other part of the Web, any effort to take this media public should be done with complete honesty and mutual respect. If you've got your performer thinking this is entirely about comedy, certainly you should disclose the erotic dimension of your interest before going forward. Likewise, if this project is ever headed toward generating any sort of revenue, it seems like some share of that should go to this person who did so much of the work involved so far. Finally, just in case her friends, family, and coworkers have any overlap with people who are into WAM, you should discuss identifying her with an alias -- a virtual stage name -- to shelter her real identity.

If all that sounds like where you were headed anyway, then this could be the start of a beautiful collaboration. If not then some reflection is in order. To be better than a dumbass punk who manipulated little girls into making films that gratify him is to clear a very low bar. I recall people defending waterboarding and Abu Ghraib with nonsense like "at least we didn't cut anyone's head off." Moral standards should never be based on the ability to rise above the most profoundly despicable individuals. If you are truly open, honest, and respectful of your collaborator; then the only limit is her consent. On the other hand, if you are merely better than the worst of us, I would prioritize developing that honest and respectful relationship before pushing for more content or publicizing any of it.

Regards,
messydom

well guys, I wasnt up front with her one bit. she thinks this is her helping me for a school project. thats why i feel kind of guilty right now. Shes been so cool about this whole thing and genuinely seemed to enjoy it. after the first video she wrote me and told me that she had an absolute blast doing it. it was pretty funny, she was fighting hard not to bust out laughing from what I saw. shes kind of a "girly girl" type too so I was pretty surprised she agreed to it much less had so much fun with it.

even still I wasnt honest to her about why I sought her help with this and Im starting to really feel bad about it. Should I confess like Dickie1987 thinks and tell her about this place? maybe she is a wammer and might join us?

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Hmmm...you probably shouldn't have lied to her like that. You are stuck in a tough situation. I think you should drop the original lie now. You might even be best off telling her the truth: that you would like her to continue doing it because you enjoy seeing pretty girls get pied in the face. It's tough to do because even if you choose the best words, chances are she won't take it well. But hey, you showed enough stones to get her to pie herself in the first place (even if it is under false pretenses), you can tell her the truth now.

The worst she could do is say no. Actually, she may be pretty pissed that you lied to her in the first place. But being a responsible person means taking your lumps sometimes. And doing right by girls is always the correct move.

But whatever you do, do not--do not--tell her about UMD. Hell, there are producers out there who don't tell their models about UMD. If you want to tell her about WAM, you should direct her to sites that are more in line with the type of WAM you like. So if you're a pie in the face guy, direct her to Rich's site. If you like gunge, namedrop the Moomins. But to show her this chaotic hodgepodge of all things G-to-XXX-rated is a great way to get her to never write another word again.

P.S. At least you chose a cute girl. So there's that. Do right by her.

yea gness7 makes a really good point, this place probably would shock someone who had never heard of wam before. I agree that you should tll her the true intentions now, otherwise it would just escalate until the lie is uncontrollable and you may end up hurting her.

I disagree with those who say to tell the truth- honesty isn't always a great idea. You should thank her for her help with your "school project", and then don't talk to her again. And don't even consider posting the videos.

You can't possibly think that is is a good idea to tell her your "school project" is really a video that fulfills your non-mainstream fantasies. No matter how normal and innocent your interest in pieing women may seem to yourself and the people who frequent this message board, most "normal" people will probably think of it as some deviant sexual thing. She'll be better off not knowing the truth.

Don't drop her here, but if you must, send her to someplace like Rich's site (slapstickstuff.com) where she'll at least see a bunch of hotties like herself having a bunch of fun getting messy. From there, she can decide on her own if she wants to explore any deeper what "wet and messy" actually is.

I smell a download store coming.

We're doomed.

Thats really funny btw.

For the record, I copied that gag from somebody in some other thread that seemed to be leading in the same direction.

Oh, and, if the original post IS legit: C'mon, dude. The question you should be asking is not "Should I ask this girl to make her videos public?" It's "Is there any way I can possibly redeem myself for tricking a 19 year-old into creating some custom jerkoff material for me, and salvage my relationship with her in the process?" Answer: Probably not. And you need us to tell you this? Nah, there's gotta be a download store coming.

Tell her to keep her hair down in the next video!

Seriously though, it's like watching a movie where someone makes these huge lies to cover up other lies. And you think to yourself, "Man, why won't he just tell the truth already!"

The longer your wait, the worse it's going to be in the end.

I have to be honest it has always slightly concerned me getting someone to delibberately mess up on camera without knowing the real reason I think it is completely different to someone who does it for a completely different reason but is also enjoyed by people with a mess fetish like in films or movies or even clips posted on youtube of charity events or just having fun.