Is it roughly one's one age range that one tends to find sexually attractive, or is there a finite ceiling? I'm just starting to approach middle age myself, and while the upper age limit of women I find attractive has risen a bit as I get older, I don't take it as a given that I'll be into grannies someday.
I ask because a few producers continue to use older (45+) models, including some "celebrities," and while I'm generally turned off, they must sell well enough. For example, Lenny is shooting with the porn star Seka, and Brinke Stevens has been doing quicksand models for a couple of producers for at least 10 years; they're both pushing 60 now. That's just not what I want to see in a fetish video, personally, but obviously there's a niche for that and I'm just curious about how big it is.
Recently a friend made the acquaintance of a former "scream queen" who mud wrestled in the 80s, and who's supposedly fun and still looks good for late 40s, and I've thought of pitching a "sequel" to her mud wrestling scene. But, I dunno.
I'm yet to have problems selling anything with 'Older ladies' in, reason for this is all the girls/ladies who are on the team are into to it anyway.
One thing I have found is the more mature the lady is, the higher the levels that she is prepared to work to. Also, it is easier sometimes, not all of the time, to go straight into a shoot with little or no direction.
Noise, that's true, I now tend to think of college age girls as too young for me ... but then, "barely 18" sexual material always kind of creeped me out, even when I was 22.
I am sort of curious as to whether I'll think 80 year-old women are "hot" when I'm 80 myself, but really, the focus of my question was about 40- and 50-something ladies (or men) in fetish & porn imagery. Are we turned on by this, or do we want to see younger models? Does that change depending on the spectator's age?
Good point that, do we like older women as we get older ourselves. I have to say I do. I'm now 40 (old or what!!) and I fiind milf's hot. Though I just find women in generally hot.... Though I do seem to look at ladies age 25+ Though of course that's just my personal preference.
Next year I will have been appearing in wam media for 10 years!!!!
I've seen some girl appearing for too long after just one scene, Like you said it's all about how much fun the model is having in front of the camera. You are also a great mentor for all Mostwam new models and all the new models in this community in general.
If anyone ever gets tired of seing you roll around in mud or pies well he might be done with WAM imo ;)
So back to the question of how old is too old.. I think the answer is never.. if someone is having fun producing it and they sold 3 copies of their clip, but they had a blast, I'm totally cool. I'm not going to buy it, but thats fine.. I've never bought any clips with 2 hot dudes playing in mud and never will but that doesnt mean they shouldnt put their thing in here.
"It's not the age it's the mileage" as Indy once said. As long as a woman looks after herself, she can look great well into her 50s. I completely agree with Max about Persia Monir, she's is a perfect example of a great looking, more mature woman, and she really enjoys wam too. Other "milfs" who'd be great in pie/wam scenes - Vicky Vette, Lynn Lemay, and Deauxma.
spuddy said: who cares what your age - if you still wanna - then enjoy...end of....
Well said, Spuddy!!! I'm 41, only got really into this a couple of years ago and I bloody love it!!!! Age is irrelevant, resistance is futile! btw - I get plenty of compliments from younger chaps along with guys more my age, as well as ladies my age and younger saying well done and good for you, etc - so, whatever floats your boat .....
I realize that the over-40 female will never have the same amount of fans as the under-30 female, but there are guys who tell me that as they age, some of the young babes start to look too much like their children. So yes, for some men, what constitutes beauty does indeed change with age.
Other men prefer a personality over good looks anyway, while others yet don't care about actual years if only she still looks good.
Culturally, the idea of dating someone substantially younger is more well-supported for males than for females. This translates out to younger models selling well to older men, because if they could actually date her, they would consider themselves to have won a trophy. This is a thing that just isn't true for older women.
I have noticed that my idea of "goodlooking guy" has increased in age alongside me but that the range widens as I get older. When I was 20, I would consider, oh, somebody between 18 and 22 to be ideal and preferably, they had to have the hair and physique of a rock star. That is actually a very narrow standard.
Today, though, many average men from around 35 to 65 look good.
So, basically, over the years, I've gotten less picky about looks. Actually, a lot less. Attitude can make somebody look better than he would otherwise to me, and a lousy personality can utterly ruin what might otherwise be a wonderful body.
I fully expect to someday be 85, and that 87-year-old dude in the next room at the old folks home just may be looking good.
I don't think geriatric WAM will ever be huge business money-wise but I doubt that everyone will actually stop doing their fetish thing just because they are older and I don't think they should stop doing it anyway. Why stop something that enhances the quality of life if you still can?
I figure that for me, I'll still be in mudpits long after I've stopped shooting.
I probably won't be a consumer of video when I am in my 80's since it is likely to feature only people young enough to be my grandchildren. I am already having some difficulties enjoying clips that feature extremely young-looking female models, so when I am truly old, I will probably be happier with my imagination.
Hell, I'm just over 30 and I'm still turned off by models that look like teenage girls. And if Mrs Bee (and by association, PGKay) are geriatrics in the sense of this thread, then point me to the old folks' home, cuz I'm comin' in hard!
depends entirely on the girl/lady & on the individual man I know a number of 50+ ladies who light my fire (they mostly have too much sense to get burnt!) & quite a few young (18+) girls who leave me very cold Oh & me well I'm ancient!
As has been dicussed on here time and time again, people seem to prefer a natural any aged women having fun and enjoying wam than an 18 year old barbie with no reaction, fun or spontinatity to her!
Yes, Yes, YES Couldnt agree more.
But then again as you might imagine, we at MILF WAM are rather keen on the older lady. We think they are sexy, confident and they most certainly have matured well with age.
Most of the ladies who appear on MILF WAM are over 40, a few are over 30, however I have to say that one of the most popular, Hazel May, is well over 50.
Age is no barrier. As has been said more than once in this thread, they are often much more enthusiastic than their younger counterparts, and, I can assure you that many people share our view on just how attractive they are.
I came to WAM late in life. Although I have been 'turned on' by slapstick for as long as I can remember, it was only in my 50s that I started to enjoy self indulgence in general messiness and some years after that found that I could engage a young lady to perform with me in a mutually messy session. After 10+ years of fun I started to worry if I was getting too old and probably embarrassing to the young lady. Now that I've turned 70 I feel that my active WAM days are over, although I feel as fit as I ever did. I wonder what the coroner would think as he scraped the custard, etc. off me to perform an autopsy? What do you think? Should I splosh 'til I die or give it up gracefully?
Richard, it sounds like when you engage in wam you're doing it with younger ladies, rather than gals your own age? Either way, it's nice to know I'll still be into this when I'm 70. Or ... maybe "nice" isn't the word.
This has been an enlightening discussion. It sounds as if some of you view age and beauty as separate ideas. (And people I know outside of a wam context say the same thing.) For me, they're very much linked -- I might find a woman attractive at 25 but not 40, or at 40 but not 25. (The latter is less common, frankly, but I think Jennifer Beals and Marisa Tomei are sexier now than they were in the '80s.)
Sadly, I can't say that any women over 50 have ever struck me as sexy -- maybe "beautiful" in an unerotic sense, but not sexually attractive. I wonder whether that will change as the gap between my present age and 50 narrows.
sotonude said:What do you think? Should I splosh 'til I die or give it up gracefully?
Richard (aka 'sotonude'.)
Well, I don't know you personally, but if you feel completely fit and you're getting around just great, I'd keep going if I were you.
If it is actually unsafe, you should stop, but it is highly likely that you wouldn't be having much fun long before it gets to that point. You'd be straining to do things, and you'd be totally tired-out by it. Your partner (who is also 70) will say, "Pour that bucket all over me!" and your arms will be quivering from the weight.
Our bodies have a built-in protection system to keep us from doing stupid things. It's called "pain"! Listen to your body. It knows when things are fun and when they're not.
If people have medical problems or haven't kept themselves in shape, 70 can be very old, but for others, 70 is, well, slower than 50 was, which was slower than 30 was, but it can still be pretty good.
Think of it this way: You won't go to your deathbed saying to yourself, "Oh, gee, I wish I just had not had so much fun...I should have skipped some of it."
For me, the attractiveness of a WAM model is almost entirely related to her enthusiasm.
Someone who is clearly really enjoying herself having fun with mess is what matters. The "ohh, this is actually quite nice" as a litre of custard slips into her own trousers, or the all-out glee as she pours a litre into another model's dress, knowing full well the other girl will get her own back all too soon - that's what makes a WAM scene.
I've worked with models from 18 to 40+, and the one thing all of them had in common was that they enjoyed the shoots. I shot one scene with two models, one 35+, one 22, taking turns to fill each others' clothes. The younger lass actually has a WAM fetish herself, the older one doesn't but absolutely loves to be gunged just for the pure fun of it, the messier the better. That scene for me pretty much sums up what WAM should be about. With me, in WAM it's a case of "if they're not giggling like crazy, you're doing it wrong".
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Well, there is a "wam goggles" factor akin to the "beer goggles" phenomenon.
I've seen plenty of women who I wouldn't consider attractive "dry" jump into a mud pit, wrestle energetically, and then emerge completely covered ... leaving me thinking, yes, I would indeed do her.
Until she showers off.
And I guess that applies to age: The "scream queen" I mentioned in the first post would be too old for me under most circumstances, but if I could get her to mud wrestle, then ... BOIOIOIOIOIOIOIONNNNGGGG!