No danger of that, thankfully most Americans are actually somewhere near the middle.
Also thankfully, none of the conservative candidates are in any way presidential. I'm not anti conservative, just anti-pandering dickheads that want to impose their religion and/or self interests on the world.
noise said:Also thankfully, none of the conservative candidates are in any way presidential. I'm not anti conservative, just anti-pandering dickheads that want to impose their religion and/or self interests on the world.
In another life, I inhabit American political pages and it is dangerous to be sure in your heart that people really, truly cannot possibly be stupid enough to cast a vote for somebody like Rick Santorum.
When I read postings by people who support him, I know for a fact that tremendously stupid people exist in large numbers.
To all Americans who are 100% sure that Obama's on easy street this year and they may as well relax and stay home on election day:
Don't stay home. Get out and vote. Make sure.
I mean, no harm in making it a landslide, right? Even if Obama really would win without your paltry insignificant vote, let's not let the other side think it was close because a lot of you stayed home -- okay?
Instead of thinking, "Oh, gee, we might have gotten in if only..." let them be thinking, "We got our butts bounced from here to Timbuktu...whatever were we thinking?"
I agree, though, that porn is too big to fail. He can try but porn is recession-proof and has stood the test of time. It might go underground but it will never be gone.
Porn has had centuries in which to destroy marriage the family unit. Despite everything that porn has done, marriage and the family still exist.
Some married couples enjoy porn together -- perhaps, in some cases, porn is good for marriage.
That's because subhuman trash like Santorum is like all Demopubs and Republicrats or anyone who votes for them: subhuman freedom-hating conservative trash that never had a hardship or did a day of work in their lives.
How could they? They do not have the mental capacity to comprehend the consequences of actions.
The only ones who deserve to be called Americans are vegetarian pro-porn-choice atheist soldiers. And I don't just mean those with cushy government jobs. I mean anyone - civilian or non-civilian - who fights against the greater oppressor.
And if any politically correct subhuman dares criticize this opinion blah blah blabh for being "rude" or "insulting" blah blah blah (insignificant unimportant criticisms) while absolutely totally disregarding my absolutely justified reasons for being so, then I will absolutely shove it right back in their face and tell them that it is absolutely wrong to ban ANY troll or stalker from this forum, that doing so makes you as bad as the troll or stalker themselves.
The best candidate is Dr Jill Stein (Green Party) and even SHE is not perfect. Because she's not pro-war. And a few other reasons. This world (and NOT just the USA - I REALLY get sick of the anti-West America-bashing on RT News, even though they provide necessary coverage) is unfortunately divided almost exclusively into 2 sets of stupid mentally inferior subhumans:
rightwingers who support war for UNjust ends, to MAINTAIN inequities in wealth and political pwoer
pseudo-"left"wingers who refuse to support war for ANY reason, but instead resort to all this worthless bullshit "non-violent protest" crap, when it's THEY who should use military force.
Then, of course, you've got your Alex Jones types, who RIGHTLY claim that this whole "left-right" paradigm is pure bullshit - which it is - but then who proceeds to condemn only (so-called) "liberals", even if he's good for attacking the (un)Patriot Act.
That's the great thing about subhumans: they're too stupid to remember anything I say to their faces. I can get along with them while plotting against them. They are just atoms moving around.
Best thing: vote for yourself - until we start a Mathematical Nihilist Party, which won't give a flying fuck about pre-existing law, but instead recognize the positive-negative value of ALL actions and non-actions. And that includes the right of any organism to fight any injustice by any organism on behalf of any organism anywhere regardless of national or corporate or ethnic boundaries.
I believe Tokyo mayoral candidate Toyama Koichi comes closest.
noise said: Like it or not, it's four more years of Obama.
I like it not.
Fortunately, there are no such things as psychics. So, nobody knows who will become elected president of the USA.
That said, I find other countries' elections more interesting: greater varieties of political parties.
My perspective is pretty much that none of the Conservative politicians are of the calibre to be president.
I know the rest of the world rags on America, but I'm pretty sure that your average American is smart enough spot the danger and enough conservatives don't believe in any of the candidates.
I'm not pretending to be psychic or all knowing, but I reckon the odds would be safe enough to bet a large amount of money on four more years of Obama.
I also think America is about due for a great president, I don't think Obama is that (Well, not showing signs), but I reckon he is solid enough for now.
I agree with you on other countries, the polarization here doesn't make for the great entertainment or discussion worthy politics the news channels seem to believe. It sucks that America is still arguing so hard about things others have put to bed sensibly like abortion, immigration and health insurance - so people can spend that time sorting out the real problems and issues.
There is so much to love about America, the fascination I do have is that the country is so mired in the mud about so many issues, yet is still such an amazing place for the most part.
noise said: My perspective is pretty much that none of the Conservative politicians are of the calibre to be president.
"calibre"??
It takes NO skill, NO "high moral qualities" to be president or senator or any politician ANYwhere. It just takes repeating endlessly the same worthless excrement over and over and over until enough people agree with what you say to get elected. Those who ALREADY have either large numbers of voters already agreeing with what they say, or large well-funded corporations, are just DUMB LUCKY!
Let's see a politician run on a platform of outlawing breeding animals for meat because it tortures animals. THAT would take courage. THAT would earn respect from me.
I respect Obama, Bush, Clinton, judges, David Cameron, and every judge, police officer, prison guard, and soldier who upholds the worthless and unjust excrement called "law" about 1000X less than you respect every single co-called "troll", "stalker", password trader, and copyright trader.
I love America, too. It's just a bunch of entertaining atoms. Doesn't mean I have to love or respect or care about the humans in it.
And I do support full-out nuclear war among the USA and North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Iran - if that is what it takes to free the prisoners (both homo sapien and non-homo sapien) in all these countries. 99.999% of humans would be too stupid to notice the difference. Come on - it would be hilarious!
I do as Loch Ness suggests: getting out and active. That is why I have written to Obama urging full scale nuclear war. That is why I call my governor and senators frequently demanding that they make it legal for civilians to kill any police officer who dares try to kidnap a person and dragged them to court if that person is being sued.
That's the great thing about law: it's worthless shit. Anyone can make it anything they want. Hence, I'm going to put every joule of energy into making the law more fair, to fight the forces that make the law unfair.
It's only the very few - as Toyama Koichi says - the ones who advocate the use of force against an injustice IN PROPORTION to the magnitude of that injustice - and NOT just brainlessly using force because you're lucky enough to have a law in your favor at that time - only this tiny minority of humans (real humans) deserve life.
The rest are just dumb machines who can't compute cause and effect logically consistently.
Instead of thinking, "Oh, gee, we might have gotten in if only..." let them be thinking, "We got our butts bounced from here to Timbuktu...whatever were we thinking?"
Although I am a legal resident and pay taxes in the U.S.A, I can't actually vote.
If you want the government the fuck out of your internet, your candidate is named Ron Paul.
If you actually think that Obama would have vetoed SOPA or PIPA, your just a true believer. Democrats and Republicans are the same. talking points are different, but policy's are the same.
In our life time both of those party's are going to attempt to control and regulate the internet as much as they can't get away with, and they will get away with a lot.
trotterpm2 said: Probably gonna get the hate for this, but:
If you want the government the fuck out of your internet, your candidate is named Ron Paul.
If you actually think that Obama would have vetoed SOPA or PIPA, your just a true believer. Democrats and Republicans are the same. talking points are different, but policy's are the same.
In our life time both of those party's are going to attempt to control and regulate the internet as much as they can't get away with, and they will get away with a lot.
That was/is congress being the lobbyists bitches. There is absolutely no evidence that Obama would have vetoed or not vetoed.
If you don't believe the words of the Obama administration responding to a petition against the bill stating that it would not support legislation with provisions that could lead to Internet censorship... well, where's the evidence?
Anyone stating that Obama would not have vetoed is just a true non-believer ;)
Ron Paul... my problem is he can talk absolute sense one minute and leave me scratching my head the next.
Also, I'm not going to look favorably towards any one politician based on a single issue.
I will agree with you to a degree on the whole two sides are basically the same. We had the same issue in the UK when the Conservatives and Labour party where striving so hard for popularity the merged into one... and we ended up with Blair.
Wether Blair was good or bad in the end... well, I really couldn't tell you. That's another head scratcher. He sort of was, and then he made us America's bitch over Iraq - and while a whole country screamed "Don't go in! There are no WMD's - even Joe Public can see that!" he just blundered on in.
Looking back, the UK has always been at it's best when we have had four years of one party then four of the other - an even keel down the middle. A balance.
Or of course, if your a cynic... while the Civil service is running things while the new guys are learning their way around.
There is absolutely NOTHING special about Ron Paul. HE'S JUST ANOTHER REPUBLICRAT! If he had ANY courage he would run as an independent, Green, Socialist, Communist or even Libertarian. EVERYthing good that Ron Paul supports has been supported by radicals decades before RP even heard of these issues.
Reducing police power. Giving more power to civilians to fight back. Giving more power and rights to prisoners.
Or, as Noise correctly points out: being FORCED to pay taxes YET being unable to vote.
Criminalizing MULTITRILLION dollar bonuses to CEOs. Criminalizing massive pay inequities. Criminalizing massive corporate welfare for corporations that do net harm. Taxing society-destroying Wall Street trades to take back SOME money that Wall Street has stolen.
Making churches pay THEIR fair share of property taxes, stop hiding behind this religion bullshit.
Greens and Socialists/World Workers have fought for these causes for DECADES, long before Ron Paul. They fought against ENDLESS money going to wars, and for the rights of people NOT to pay for wars if they don't want.
*I* call it WAR-CHOICE. Those who want a particular war should pay/work/fight for it themselves and not be hindered nor helped by those who wish to stay neutral.
I just learned of a sickening abuse of power by conservative judges in the state of New Jersey taking away a prisoner's right not to be stripped searched.
Disgusting cowardly conservative judges who cherry pick EVERY single negative thing a poor civilian does as an excuse NOT to rule in THEIR favor and cherry pick EVERY single thing a cop wants to do to rule in THEIR favor.
What a do-nothing stress-free life cops and judges have. They got NO fucking business getting angry at defendants or plaintiffs "wasting" their time, when they waste people's ENTIRE LIVES by sending them to prison for decades.
And this utter BULLSHIT about cops/soldiers "risking their lives". Guess what, shitheads? This is news to you: WE ALL DIE! So, I can say I risked my life as a mathematician to save people's lives, and nobody can disprove that I save as many lives as cops.
Hence, the ONLY thing that matters while we exist is quality of life. Everyone in prison without exception has sacrificed their lives for the cause that put them into prison.
Any lunatic moron like Paul who denies the proven facts of finite oil (the earth is LONG past peak oil) and Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and EVOLUTION is NOT qualified to have ANY position of power ANYWHERE.
The more I encounter people, the less respect I have for them.
There are political candidates who at least have the courage to demand open hearings on the UFO phenomena. Doesn't matter what I believe on the subject. The bottom line is that open disclosure of this topic take place.
But shitheads believe in unproven made-up fantasy like "god" and "allah", deny proven facts like AGW and finite oil and evolution, but then make IDIOTIC and wild claims that somehow liberals or socialists have harmed the USA when it has been nothing but Republicrats and Demopubs.
Bring on the full-scale nuclear war. Exterminate those subhuman Americans who keep voting for and supporting the current legal systems and laws that make meat legal but outlaw harmless things like porn or minimally harmless things like marijuana or abortion. No matter what percentage of Americans this is.
Marijuana is NOT completely harmless. See videos by a guy on YouTube named c0nc0rdance. He shows the peer-reviewed science articles that have studied the effects of marijuana. But, OTOH, it certainly is a HELL of a lot safer in the ways it is used than alcohol or tobacco. And, certainly NOTHING to justify the Nazi-esque methods for dealing with it.
I am sure other people in other countries are just as stupid. There is no genetic biological predisposition for Americans to be dumber than any other people. After all, they don't have math PhDs and are unable to do hardcore math modeling. The only god is math. You're not allowed to use adjectives and even SAY one thing is more X than another unless you mathematically DEFINE it, model it, and QUANTIFY it, first.
And I LOVE ramming it back down some politically correct douchebag's throat that "you cannot judge a person how good/bad a person is based on their political views". If any dumbshit who says this had the mental ability to do math and logic like I can, then they would get it drilled into their skulls that this implies Hitler was NOT evil, nor ANY of his followers, nor Mao, nor Stalin, nor ANY one who EVER existed, because unless they physically personally killed anyone, ALL their beliefs are just political beliefs.
ALL beliefs are political beliefs! There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER!
I will continue to cheer and celebrate a patriotic hero like Timothy McVeigh who only did his duty and anyone else I want, because above all else it is my First Amendment free speech right to, just as all those Ron Paul supporters and Romney and Sanctorum and Hilary Clinton and David Cameron support THEIR favorite evil murdering tyrant.
noise said: I'm not sure if I can carry on this discussion, I see a lot of irrationality and contradictions. How exactly do you propose make the law fair when anyone can make it what they want? As for the whole nuclear war thing... I have no idea how you rationalize that. No idea. Are you you suggesting the people are "dumb machines who can't compute cause and effect logically (and) consistently" don't deserve to live?
Name one contradiction.
Unless you show me a math model, you are not qualified to determine what is "irrational" or not.
No idea how you rationalize putting anyone in prison. Or banning them from a website. Or any negative action whatsoever. Oh, I think I do: because that is currently the status quo, and hence that is the easiest thing for you to say. And it takes no brains to think outside that paradigm. To defend the status quo, no matter how unfair it is.
Damn right. I have explained this many times. The Principle of Explosion in logic. They are just atoms moving around. There is no proof whatsoever that they have feelings, if they are that dumb.
If new evidence and proof is presented to me, then I'll recant on my death bed. Just like every single tyrant and politician and judge who murdered and imprisoned and caused so much misery for decades in spite of endless protest, but then offers a lame apology at the end of their life without ever having been punished.
"If you don't believe the words of the Obama administration responding to a petition against the bill stating that it would not support legislation with provisions that could lead to Internet censorship... well, where's the evidence? "
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement that Obama signed is full of internet censorship provisions, and its public record.
"Also, I'm not going to look favorably towards any one politician based on a single issue. "
Me neither. I also look favorably towards him for his stance on not invading other countries, ending the drug war, stopping inflationary monetary policy, and in general staying out of our lives.
DrZoidberg said: If he had ANY courage he would run as an independent, Green, Socialist, Communist or even Libertarian. EVERYthing good that Ron Paul supports has been supported by radicals decades before RP even heard of these issues.
Reducing police power. Giving more power to civilians to fight back. Giving more power and rights to prisoners.
Or, as Noise correctly points out: being FORCED to pay taxes YET being unable to vote.
Criminalizing MULTITRILLION dollar bonuses to CEOs. Criminalizing massive pay inequities. Criminalizing massive corporate welfare for corporations that do net harm. Taxing society-destroying Wall Street trades to take back SOME money that Wall Street has stolen.
Making churches pay THEIR fair share of property taxes, stop hiding behind this religion bullshit.
Greens and Socialists/World Workers have fought for these causes for DECADES, long before Ron Paul. They fought against ENDLESS money going to wars, and for the rights of people NOT to pay for wars if they don't want.
*I* call it WAR-CHOICE. Those who want a particular war should pay/work/fight for it themselves and not be hindered nor helped by those who wish to stay neutral.
I just learned of a sickening abuse of power by conservative judges in the state of New Jersey taking away a prisoner's right not to be stripped searched.
Disgusting cowardly conservative judges who cherry pick EVERY single negative thing a poor civilian does as an excuse NOT to rule in THEIR favor and cherry pick EVERY single thing a cop wants to do to rule in THEIR favor.
What a do-nothing stress-free life cops and judges have. They got NO fucking business getting angry at defendants or plaintiffs "wasting" their time, when they waste people's ENTIRE LIVES by sending them to prison for decades.
And this utter BULLSHIT about cops/soldiers "risking their lives". Guess what, shitheads? This is news to you: WE ALL DIE! So, I can say I risked my life as a mathematician to save people's lives, and nobody can disprove that I save as many lives as cops.
Hence, the ONLY thing that matters while we exist is quality of life. Everyone in prison without exception has sacrificed their lives for the cause that put them into prison.
Any lunatic moron like Paul who denies the proven facts of finite oil (the earth is LONG past peak oil) and Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and EVOLUTION is NOT qualified to have ANY position of power ANYWHERE.
The more I encounter people, the less respect I have for them.
There are political candidates who at least have the courage to demand open hearings on the UFO phenomena. Doesn't matter what I believe on the subject. The bottom line is that open disclosure of this topic take place.
But shitheads believe in unproven made-up fantasy like "god" and "allah", deny proven facts like AGW and finite oil and evolution, but then make IDIOTIC and wild claims that somehow liberals or socialists have harmed the USA when it has been nothing but Republicrats and Demopubs.
Bring on the full-scale nuclear war. Exterminate those subhuman Americans who keep voting for and supporting the current legal systems and laws that make meat legal but outlaw harmless things like porn or minimally harmless things like marijuana or abortion. No matter what percentage of Americans this is.
Marijuana is NOT completely harmless. See videos by a guy on YouTube named c0nc0rdance. He shows the peer-reviewed science articles that have studied the effects of marijuana. But, OTOH, it certainly is a HELL of a lot safer in the ways it is used than alcohol or tobacco. And, certainly NOTHING to justify the Nazi-esque methods for dealing with it.
I am sure other people in other countries are just as stupid. There is no genetic biological predisposition for Americans to be dumber than any other people. After all, they don't have math PhDs and are unable to do hardcore math modeling. The only god is math. You're not allowed to use adjectives and even SAY one thing is more X than another unless you mathematically DEFINE it, model it, and QUANTIFY it, first.
And I LOVE ramming it back down some politically correct douchebag's throat that "you cannot judge a person how good/bad a person is based on their political views". If any dumbshit who says this had the mental ability to do math and logic like I can, then they would get it drilled into their skulls that this implies Hitler was NOT evil, nor ANY of his followers, nor Mao, nor Stalin, nor ANY one who EVER existed, because unless they physically personally killed anyone, ALL their beliefs are just political beliefs.
ALL beliefs are political beliefs! There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER!
I will continue to cheer and celebrate a patriotic hero like Timothy McVeigh who only did his duty and anyone else I want, because above all else it is my First Amendment free speech right to, just as all those Ron Paul supporters and Romney and Sanctorum and Hilary Clinton and David Cameron support THEIR favorite evil murdering tyrant.
lost of stuff here.....
Paul ran as a libertarian in 1988 and spent all his money trying to get on ballots. Hes is not running as a independent, Green, Socialist, or Communist because he doesn't share those views, and hes not running as a libertarian cause he wants to win.
I agree wit you that the police by and large have a gang mentality that is inappropriate, and that far too many people are imprisoned in the US.
The peak oil, religious beliefs, global warming stuff......That shit does not matter to me. let people be comforted by there religious beliefs as long as they are not rammed down my throat. And human ingenuity will solve peak oil and AGW, we do not need governments to sort it out. I am not interested in debating this. If we wait for a politician to share my every opinion, we will be waiting forever.
I am far more concerned with perpetual war mongering, mass imprisonment, censorship, and debasing US currency than whether or not RP goes to church.
Politicians who want hearings on UFOs are pissing away your hard earned tax money. That's not their job, and that shit enrages me.
Yeah, don't bring on Nuclear war. I get that this statement was made out of frustration and a feelings of superiority, but its discrediting.
Math is not god, its just math. Math models can be manipulated towards an agenda just like anything else, case in point, the failure of the Keynesian models to predict the 2008 collapse.
I don't get the gist of what your last few statements are. There is no such thing as good or evil? don't get it.
I do agree that, despite how i disagree with your statements, you should without question be allowed to voice them, as per the 1st amendment, and that is why I support Ron Paul for president of the US.
P.S. I don't know who Ron Paul's favorite murdering tyrant is. He doesn't seem to like murder very much. just sayin.
I know. Sorry for that. But, that's my buffer/safety. What I get "wrong" on one issue (in the mind of whoever reads it), I stand a chance of getting "right" on another to make up for it.
The peak oil, religious beliefs, global warming stuff......That shit does not matter to me. let people be comforted by there religious beliefs as long as they are not rammed down my throat. And human ingenuity will solve peak oil and AGW, we do not need governments to sort it out. I am not interested in debating this. If we wait for a politician to share my every opinion, we will be waiting forever.
I am far more concerned with perpetual war mongering, mass imprisonment, censorship, and debasing US currency than whether or not RP goes to church.
Politicians who want hearings on UFOs are pissing away your hard earned tax money. That's not their job, and that shit enrages me.
I do agree that, despite how i disagree with your statements, you should without question be allowed to voice them, as per the 1st amendment, and that is why I support Ron Paul for president of the US.
And that is why I support Toyama Koichi (in Japan - not that he can be a US president), and Dr Jill Stein (Green Party) for President.
It is the fault of the math modelers, not of math modeling in general, for failing to predict the 2008 collapse. Math models need to include criminal fraud, massive lying, feedback of unlimited corporate welfare, physical constraints like the environment, too. The fault is that of brainwashed extremist free-market economists doing the modeling. Not of math itself.
The amount of hearings and money spent on UFO disclosure is miniscule. So, no - you could not possible be "enraged" over such a trivial amount of money spent. Yet the benefits of UFO disclosure would be enormous. Seeking the truth over such an important subject would be enormous.
Contrast that to endless hearings about and tax dollars wasted pursuing Clinton's personal sex life, or endless witch hunts of climate scientists, rather than getting on with the hard work.
And that statement you made about AGW and peak oil is completely ridiculous and idiotic. Obviously, then eating is not important to you, since oil is necessary to grow food in such large quantities. Or waves of climate refugees. It is idiotic to deliberately risk destroying the economy and ecology on the vague chance that somebody MIGHT provide a solution in the future.
Polluting, overpopulation are rammed down my throat, down others' throats, down the animals' throats, by their physical consequences.
The bottom line that you are not mentally capable of quantifying and ranking the magnitude of these problems properly. Hence, anything is justified to you.