Hey fellow wammers:

So I joined this community about two weeks ago, but have been visiting and purchasing videos here for years. I just recently started posting some of my material.

Besides the fact, I started browsing the forums and got the impression from a fair number of the topics here that the whole "Male Wam" scene is either looked down upon, or some of the producers feel the scene should be with its own website.

Don't get me wrong, I've never met someone who's into what I'm into, nor am I gay, but it is easily understandable to have some form of resentment towards pure leechers who are only here for a quick wank and creep females' profiles and ask for pics or meetings , so for the males who actually post content on the site and contribute their constituent, is there that same feeling of umbrage?

I think to some extent most straight men on here just don't want to see other men in their wam. Wam is unlike mainstream porn, wherein you need two people. Most scenes are just a female model and some "insert substance here". For me personally, I'm not gay, but I have went into the male forum from time to time. Because for me personally, I love a beautiful woman being wammed, but with full coverage, which I enjoy, you can ignore the gender, and focus on the substance. But I cannot speak for others.

I think it also has to do with the fact that many male wammers like to have extreme close ups of their junk. Which to many male wammers who do not frequent the male forum is quite unerving, as it tends to be in alot of posts. I dunno. Just giving my 2 cents.

I dont mind if the guy gets messy messing up the girl, but stays clothed and the scene isnt about him, But i dont like seeing another man's junk at all. I don't watch mainstream straight porn because I dont like seeing something great (hot girl) then having the camera shot suddenly cut away to a closeup of a guy's dick. I try to stay in lesbian/self wam videos and stuff for that purpose.

In WAM (as in most porn, I suppose) men are (and should only be) props.

I don't care about some other dude's sexual pleasure and do not want to look at their goatee encrusted blank-eyed faces.

When I see a girl with a pie in her face and a cock in her mouth I want to be able fantasize that the model is getting pleasure from the mere act of sucking cock (my cock) I do not care what some tattoo encrusted liquor store clerk is feeling.

My 2 cents.

Unless you are gay, bi or femme dudes are not a pleasure to look at,

OK simple solution... stay out of the male forum if you don't want to see it. That's why it was created. The mods are usually quick to relocate any male pics that find their way into the winky-free zones, along with a friendly reminder of where to post. As for the content of my stuff, I prefer to go more for creativity than simply whipping out my junk and going to town. However, that's just my style. We all have different tastes, we know what we like and don't like. That's why we are referred to as a community, and to suggest someone or something should be removed simply because you don't like the gender of the poster is absolutely ridiculous. Remember, in the end you have the final say over what you click on and don't.. take that into consideration before you start hatin'

Now what we have here is a failure to communicate. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to it than that. However, clearly the dominant concern among people critical of male WAM is that it not get mixed in with the female WAM content. The UMD may be no substitute for a long erotic video of top quality. Yet it is only natural that many male members would occasionally develop a measure of excitement from browsing new contributions and reading detailed personal accounts. It would be extremely rude if a naked man burst in on a married couple's foreplay and thrust what passes for an erection in his world toward the face of a stranger intent on a passionate experience with his wife. That goes way beyond killing the mood, not to mention way beyond incredibly rude.

Getting turned on by browsing the forum is not the same as getting turned on by foreplay with a beloved mate. Yet visiting this forum is also not the same as reading a book about the history of ladders. For almost all of us, the experience will fall somewhere in between those two extremes. The reason segregation has value is because there is real mood-killing rudeness in deliberately inserting imagery that disrupts an otherwise pleasant and exciting experience. Users with less than stellar language skills, especially in the immediate aftermath of such a disruption, may react by writing comments about male WAM ranging from harsh to downright mean.

I believe most of those comments, if framed in cooler moments and enhanced by thoughtful reflection, would actually translate to, "do you really have to put that right here?" Personally, I think it is wise to keep content segregated because there is a legitimate place for the sharing of WAM imagery with a clear focus on male subjects, but that place should not be sprinkled throughout the primary venue for sharing WAM imagery with a clear focus on female subjects. This very small inconvenience for bisexual users is a tradeoff that has considerable value for both exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual users.

In fact, though I believe there remains an "anything goes" policy with avatars, personally I wish users could muster the decency to be more sensitive to this concern. Your avatar is a representation of yourself to the rest of the community. Okay, so I realize this makes me a crudely rendered flogging implement. That may be irrelevant, but it is not entirely inaccurate, and I certainly do not intend it to be disruptive. After all, I'm not a dick.

Regards,
messydom

For me it stems from a different source. Growing up watching shows like double dare and what not....girls were always given the option to opt out of the mess. In most tv shows when pies are thrown its a male recipient. So to a lot of us male Wammers....we have seen dudes pied a zillion times over...so this is the last place we want to see pies around a sexy chick that only go on a dude. We come here to "overcome" that in a way. If I wanted to see dudes only getting messy thats readily available thats like 70% of all mainstream WAM scenes.

Do I detect a touch of homophobia in some of these replies? I hope not as basically we are all turned on by mess on people What sort of mess-mud for me- & what people- preferably girls-is a matter of individual taste or sexual orientation
I would hope that this channel is so broad minded as to allow all or any reasonable fetishes to be catered for

Yeah. Lots of guys here dislike male WAM.

I get why they don't like it. They're hetero. They like girls. That's natural and expected.

What I don't get is why they feel the need to be so vocal.

The complaints put me off. They make a bad impression on me.

My substance is mud and I enjoy watching both sexes in deep mudpits for different reasons, so it's not like I dislike female WAM or resent it or want to avoid seeing it anything...why, I even make some female WAM myself.

It's just that, I'm a woman, so were I to complain about seeing my own sex here, I would never, ever be done writing!

Nessie

I think there will always be people who don't like male wam for the reasons stated above. I personally love male wam, and I'm straight as the day is long. I do prefer seeing woman involved in the mess but I'm just driven by seeing extreme coverage on the person.

For me it's some sort of transference. Since I love my WAM totally over the top, seeing these images of men totally plastered gives me ideas on what my next session with my lovely wife may entail.

I think there is also some real homophobia on here as well; like seeing a guy's junk is going to turn someone into a raging homosexual. But I do agree totally with Johnny yen on his commentary when it comes to seeing messy BJs. I don't need to see his face, etc...his cock in her mouth is all that matters.

MessyGirl is the absolute best at this messy BJ genre. For women messing men look no further than the two threads started by user 'New York' on "women pieing men" in the male wam forum. Excellent clips are always being added.


SCGuy

The fear that the sight of a man will turn you gay is unreasonable, and thus meets the definition of homophobia. The fear that the sight of a man in the middle of an erotic context inspired exclusively by women will spoil an otherwise exciting mood is not at all unreasonable and not at all homophobic. It demeans and belittles the reality of homophobia -- the bigotry, legal discrimination, etc. -- when "here's a stranger's cock to go with your straight erotica" is lumped in with the legitimate struggle gay people still undergo in the quest for true equality. Please show some sense when it comes to this issue, people.

There is a world of difference between the position "male WAM is evil and it should be banned" and "male WAM is welcome, but there are sound reasons why it merits a category of its own." The separation could have as much value to true lesbians and truly gay men as it has to truly straight men and truly straight women. So, however much fun it may seem to strike what appears to be a politically correct chord, let us keep in mind that it actually disrespects gay and straight alike to be willfully ignorant of the validity behind this categorization or to deliberately place material in a category where it does not belong.

Regards,
messydom

Surley the question should be do women get turned on by a fit guy covered in mud or pied?
I'm a straight manly male,but i did a shoot where i got messy pied & gunged i put it on the male section with the title something for the ladies.
I don't see what the problem is as its in another section.But i would love to here what female models think of guys being pied.
hope this does'n offend anyone i love this site

Ditto to Ness's response that I enjoy seeing both genders wammed, and take special enjoyment when I look at a guy since this fetish genre is so female displayed oriented.

And to answer George's question... I love seeing men messy. And although I prefer getting much more than giving, I always also give when I get. I so get off on all out pie fights.

I'm a straight male and I peruse the male forum and check out the male videos posted on xtube when there's no new female wam posted.

My WAM fetish is turned on by both women messy and getting messy myself. With male wam, I guess there's a bit of living vicariously through the subject, since I imagine what it'd be like to get that messy.

When it comes to self-WAM, I'm into total coverage, so that's the kind of male wam I enjoy.

Of course, co-ed WAM is great too when both parties get equally messy, like Messy Maddy's "Birthday" video.

This is somewhat related, and something I've wanted to express about the download store here for awhile.

First off, I find the download store to be a pretty good service. And I'm pretty certain I'm not homophobic.

But from a website user-experience standpoint, the worst possible violation is mixing porn of various sexual orientation. It's way worse, in my opinion, then all the popups and ads out there in the porn world.

I like to check out the newest downloads, this is my default way to check out downloads, but nowadays 50% of the new content is some dudes, and what's worse is it can be hard to even tell at first due to the nature of this stuff. I don't usually login here due to using safe mode, and like that I don't have to.

I understand that this site should cater to both crowds, but surely the male wam portion is a minority niche? IE would it be that bad to press a "CLICK HERE FOR MALE WAM" icon at the top of the wam store, and keep them as seperate as possible?

There's nothing more of a boner kill than seeing some slimey middle aged dude. Am I the only one who feels this way? I truely think it would greatly improve the quality of the DL store, and probably lead to an increase in sales over the long term, which is good for everyone.

Isn't this is in the wrong forum? Surely this should be in the Male Wam forum !!!

Your confusing (or more likely deliberately substituting) phobia for nausea. There are acts humans can engage in that are disgusting and repulsive to me and others. I'm not going to run them down - but I'm sure you could think of some yourself. Don't confuse repulsion with fear - 2 different things.

I think quite a few of the people on umd have never got messy in their lives. Indeed i used to find when i was younger that i either didn't enjoy getting messy as much as id like or it "felt wrong" after. subsequently i have started to enjoy my sessions but the idea of posting pictures on here is a no-no for me.
Male WAM is something i don't feel comfortable watching as although it maybe the same stuff i do in my bathroom it for some reason disgusts me. when i was younger i went through a time where i watched gay porn and well enjoyed it. i realise that it may be (not looking to insult anyone) that i dont find anyone who does this attractive like i do with some less attractive female models
but anyway i would never upload pictures is because
1) i dont want people who i've never met "perving" over me
2) i enjoy wam more when i dont have to film it
3) i dont find "objectifying" myself sexy. this may sound hypercritical but i enjoy watching the female models who arn't just doing wam to get paid and actually enjoy it and those who get involved in the shoot.
Having said all this i do think people should do it if it makes them happy. I would hazard a guess that there are lots of guys on here who mess privately but dislike male wam. I think its a good thing male wam has its own subfourm but also think any misspecification should be punished.

What about the surprisingly huge number of people who are into wam and into cross-dressing?

We are banned from the normal forum but the male forum isn't the right place for most of us either as the vast majority of us are not gay and, therefore, not interested in looking for pictures of males either. We're trans-lesbians or Transbians.

We try to look female. We like to look at females. We're turned on by females ... but we get shunted into the male wam section. How do you think it makes us feel to be told "well we aren't considering you to be female - so we're putting you in the male section"? Try telling that to a genetic girl in person and you'd rightly expect a slap across the face! Just because we aren't genetic girls doesn't make it any less rude.

If we're going to be ghettoised anyway, maybe we need another section for trans-people? Keep pure males who look like males in the male section, genetic females in the main section and all trans people in the trans section.

Androgyny definitely complicates matters, but if contributors who are deliberately blurring gender lines would be satisfied with a distinct classification for transvestite/transgendered content, that may be worthy of consideration. Believe it or not, interest in that sort of thing goes well beyond the WAM community. The percentage of people who are androgyny enthusiasts may be small, but they make up for it with the intensity of their enthusiasm. Such segregation being agreeable to all parties, the end result would be that every user could focus on what he or she prefers without stumbling onto content that would be disruptive to the experience of exploring those preferences.

Also, I think we should avoid the notion that this is "ghettoizing" a minority, as the intent is not to create a separate area with inferior features and capabilities. To the extent that readership varies in quantity, that is a reflection of user choice, not the result of some sort of punitive policy. It may be wise to solicit more opinions on this, but personally I think that would be an ideal method for dealing with a complicated situation. When all was said and done, everyone would benefit except those extremely rare individuals who have some particular quirk that drives a desire to have male, female, and androgynous content all mixed up together. Even in a community this large, I find it hard to imagine there is even a single individual inspired to the deepest passions by the uncategorized melange while being somehow unable to enjoy content thus organized.

Regards,
messydom